Re: KDE Neon and how to handle this?

Everything I wrote was accurate based on the information provided in
Riddell's announcement (and linked interview) and the Neon website.
If those are not accurate (or are misleading) then there is (possibly)
the root of the problem.  If you can point to something I wrote that
is demonstrably inaccurate based on those sources of information (as
they stood at the time of publication) then please do so and I will
quickly, and gladly, issue a correction in the follow-up article.

As for the attacks... those have been talked about to death and have
been covered in this thread and elsewhere (including over on G+).  I
have no need to press on that topic as it does nothing productive.  I
do, however, hope that you can work with your community members to
prepare a statement for the next article that will better represent
the KDE community.

-Bryan

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Valorie Zimmerman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Woah, woah, woah. Please everyone stop and take a breath. Remember our
> lovely code of conduct.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Boudewijn Rempt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2016, Bryan Lunduke wrote:
>>
>>> No.  That's criticism.  Criticism is cool.  I disagree with you, but
>>> you're totally entitled to your opinion.  :)  (SUSE hired me knowing
>>> full well who I am and what I do.  They've never censored me.  That's
>>> one of the great things about, not just SUSE, but many in the FOSS
>>> world.)
>>>
>>> Ad hominem and person attacks?  Not great.  Those sorts of attacks
>>> should be dealt with swiftly and publicly in order to keep bad
>>> backlash from occurring.
>
> Brian, you wrote an article based on inaccuracies to bump up your
> readership. You got a reaction with some anger about that. Please
> state what personal attacks you received?
>
>> Well, so should dumb and knee-jerk articles with out-of-order headlines
>> be dealt with: swiftly, and at the knees. You should not have written this
>> shit. Now, of course, the question is, why did you write it? I guess it's
>> simply stupid fear. Suse has been left behind. Gnome has, of course, its
>> own pet distribution, Fedora. Unity has its own, Ubuntu. Suse has vacillated
>> and dropped the ball. It never cared for anybody in particular, and now
>> nobody cares for suse. And when Canonical kicked out Kubuntu, the team, who
>> have always been KDE community members, decided to strike out on their own.
>> And Suse is, once again, left out in the cold, because you guys were
>> vacillating when you needed to be decisive. To be extremely impolitic,
>> you've turned yourselves into the spinsters or perennial bachelors of the Linux
>> world. Too afraid too choose, you're now to old to have anything to chose between.
>
> Canonical didn't kick out Kubuntu. They stopped directly supporting
> the project with paid work. And please remember the CoC -- no matter
> what Brian said, or SuSE did, or Canonical did, etc. -- we should
> remain measured in our response.
>
>> And now you're pissed, and you write dumb screeds and you're pissed when
>> people take the piss; I don't envy you.
>>
>> But not to worry; as has been clear from the start, KDE is a project that
>> transcends your worries. You want Suse to become an "official" KDE project,
>> just like gcompris, krita, neon or amarok: join up and become one. You're
>> welcome.
>
> This bit is true; I'm a small part of the Neon team, but I say: if you
> want to do what Neon is doing within KDE rather then under the wings
> of a distro, go do it! The more ways we get to use KDE software, the
> more users we have.
>
>>> -Bryan
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Boudewijn Rempt <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2016, Bryan Lunduke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let me start by saying that I am a *huge* fan of KDE.  I've been an
>>>>> incredibly vocal supporter and advocate for many years -- and plan to
>>>>> continue to be well into the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I was confused and disappointed by the way the KDE Neon
>>>>> announcement occurred.  Causing me to write the following article:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3032063/opensource-subnet/kdes-new-linux-distro-terrible-idea-or-simply-a-huge-mistake.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The response from the likes of Jonathan Riddell (and a small number of
>>>>> others) was nothing short of... terrible.  Personal, ad hominen
>>>>> attacks that just make KDE look terrible.
>
> Link to those attacks please.
>
>>>> Maybe the "social marketing manager for suse" shouldn't have written
>>>> an article with as inflammatory a title as that one? Was that a really
>>>> smart, savvy move? I've been a suse user and fan for over a decade...
>>>> But you're making me wonder why.
>>>>
>>>> Of course you'll assume that me saying that is a personal attack as
>>>> well, I don't doubt that...
>>>>
>>>> In any case, as far as I am concerned, the relation between Neon and
>>>> KDE is the same as between my project and KDE: both are KDE projects.
>>>> Some people don't like that, but tant pis.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Boudewijn Rempt | http://www.krita.org, http://www.valdyas.org
>
>>
>> --
>> Boudewijn Rempt | http://www.krita.org, http://www.valdyas.org
>
> Valorie, for the CWG (Community Working Group)
>
> --
> http://about.me/valoriez
>
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