2018-08-06 Team meeting logs

Paul Brown <[email protected]> Wed, 08 Aug 2018 11:03:44 +0200

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Hello,

Attached to this email you'll find the logs for our first bi-weekly Promo Team 
meeting held on 06/08/2018 (August 6th, 2018, for USA members).

Main point on the agenda was the Promo BoF to be held at Akademy on 13/08/2018 
(see https://phabricator.kde.org/T9066). I have already transferred the points 
discussed to that task.

Cheers

Paul
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[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:30:07 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Hello!
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:30:14 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Time to start our meeting
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:30:50 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Yup, welcome to the first Promo biweekly meeting, everyone! :)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:31:12 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I hope it is not only us to, skadinna!
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:31:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Who's here?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:32:33 (CEST)] <skadinna>	*crickets* *tumbleweed*
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:33:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Joint charisma of Paul and Ivana is in free fall
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:33:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	No matter
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:06 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> There's a meeting here ?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:16 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes!
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:35 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> I'm here . Not sure how helpful I'll be but here I am .
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:40 (CEST)] Join	ilya_b ([email protected]) has joined this channel.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:46 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Our very first bi-weekly promo meeting
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:49 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Hello everyone :)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:54 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And ilya_b is here too
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:56 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Using IRC for the occasion
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Excellent
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:05 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	I'm lurking I suppose :p
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:12 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> Rizzitello ( is my kde name)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:31 (CEST)] <Bro666>	This is virtually a full house, then
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:52 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Okay. There is only one point I am bringing to the agenda
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:36:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ivana will probably have our own points too
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:36:48 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And then whatever the rest want to talk about, we can do that
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So we're winging it
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:20 (CEST)] <Bro666>	My point is the BoF at Akademy
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:25 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have a task:
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	https://phabricator.kde.org/T9066
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And we need suggestions as to what to cover...
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:38:14 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I would like to start the BoF, as we did the sprint
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:38:46 (CEST)] <Bro666>	with a kind of "State of the Union". I am collecting data which will help us figure out where we stand
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:39:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	"We" being the KDE community
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:40:12 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And "where" being "how we are doing contributor-wise, on social media, and in our effort to raise awareness beyond our immediate bubble of KDE software"
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:41:05 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Here's a list of things we worked on during the sprint. Some of them were "resolved" completely (or as much as that's possible), but there were some that didn't get addressed or that we might want to discuss further.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:41:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I'll try and make it entertaining... In fact, last time it wasn't boring at all and it inspired a lot of speculation as to how we can move forward
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:41:08 (CEST)] <skadinna>	https://community.kde.org/Sprints/Promo/2018
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:41:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Exactly
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:41:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	To give some continuity we should also address stuff we worked in February
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:42:07 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Where we won't to go from there
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:42:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That's it from me
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:43:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	What would you like to include in the BoF
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:43:03 (CEST)] <Bro666>	?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:12 (CEST)] <skadinna>	My suggestion is already on the list :) I would like us to take a look at all our current "About Us" pages, bios and descriptions on social media, and agree on how we should refresh them, because some of them are outdated or not consistent with the rest.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:40 (CEST)] <skadinna>	The BoF is relatively short so I'll hold off with other suggestions for now - I'm interested in what others would like to focus on.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:56 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Maybe there's something more important that I'm missing!
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:46:24 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Having consistent and up-to-date web pages is important, yes
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:46:39 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Old stuff makes it look like we don't care or some project died
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:46:42 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Not a good look
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:48:31 (CEST)] <test345[m]>	Good and up-to-date Wikipedia-Articles are also very important, as many people inform themselves about free software there.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:49:19 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Indeed - I've linked the main KDE wiki article here: https://phabricator.kde.org/T8181#153231
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:49:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Are we allowed to edit our own Wikipedia page?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:49:38 (CEST)] <skadinna>	But there are other pages for separate apps
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:50:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I thought that was a no-no. It had to be an objective third party
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:50:44 (CEST)] <skadinna>	I think so, too, but maybe it's ok for non-profits/FOSS communities? We'd have to check first. I'm sure Lydia knows :)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:51:14 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Good point
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:51:22 (CEST)] <test345[m]>	Are we allowed to edit our own Wikipedia page?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:51:22 (CEST)] <test345[m]>	Why not?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:51:45 (CEST)] <Bro666>	If I remember right, it is Wikipedia policy
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:52:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	You are not allowed to edit an article in which you have a vested interest
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:52:23 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It makes sense, I suppose. Avoid spamming
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:52:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Or turning your page into an ad
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:53:14 (CEST)] <tosky>	maybe it's not forbidden, just regulated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:53:40 (CEST)] <test345[m]>	Or to remove some points you want to see there (for exmaple critics)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:53:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That said, I agree totally with test345[m] that Wikipedia articles are probably a good entry point
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:54:21 (CEST)] <Bro666>	and it would be good that they were up to date and truthful
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:54:52 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I think this has to go onto the BoF
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:55:04 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have not discussed this and we should
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:56:36 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Would it make sense to discuss the new website at the BoF? We could do a status update on the redesign process and see where we're at with the content. This is something that's been kind of dragging on for a while, but it's a high-priority task...
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	tosky: the paid editors section... That makes it complicated for skadinna and myself
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:11 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Oh yes
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:20 (CEST)] <Bro666>	skadinna: Yes, absolutely
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:48 (CEST)] <Bro666>	This would be something else we did not get round to from the sprint
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:58:26 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Let me check how many hours we have...
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:59:31 (CEST)] <tosky>	if you want to discusse the website from the point of view of promo, it would make sense; but otherwise the progress on the website would deserve an update on its own
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:59:59 (CEST)] <Bro666>	3 hours. That is not much
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:00:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	With the topics we have listed here, we are practically guaranteed to fill it already
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:00:39 (CEST)] <Bro666>	tosky: yeah, from the point of view of Promo
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	As in: "What would make the website more popular and usable"
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:15 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	As far as I know, no one is currently working on the new website
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:26 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have a whole series of tasks on Phabricator
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:43 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Our feedback could be valuable long-term, but probably not soon
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And Aleix will give us access to backstage 
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	so we can experiment
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:55 (CEST)] <Bro666>	and see what works
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:03:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	ilya_b: one of the things the board asked us during the techncial migration is that we come up with ideas that made the website more visitor-friendly
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:04:25 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So we should probably do that and, if some of our ideas get implemented, then, woohoo, better than nothing
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:05:30 (CEST)] <Bro666>	By the way, so far none of the ideas are very outlandish and we have approached some of the people that are responsible for the migration and there is a general consensus that they are easy and will probably be good for the site
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:07:36 (CEST)] <Bro666>	https://phabricator.kde.org/T6842
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:11:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Righty-ho! Did I put everybody to sleep?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:11:47 (CEST)] <skadinna>	I'm still awake :)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:11:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Good to know
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:00 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	I'm awake but silent
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:10 (CEST)] <skadinna>	It looks like we've got enough topics for the BoF
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:16 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It does
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:37 (CEST)] <Bro666>	3 hours isn't long for complex topics like these
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:03 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We could probably spend three hours on each of thse topics
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:22 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Maybe we could have a general Promo AMA session now? Like if people have some questions about Promo in general, or about some specific thing we're working on, they can ask
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:40 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Now now?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:42 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Sure
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:54 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Yeah, unless someone has a topic they'd like to discuss first, of course
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:14:16 (CEST)] <skadinna>	I thought we could do this since we're done with the main point of today's agenda :)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:14:24 (CEST)] <Bro666>	yes
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:15:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So, questions?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:17:15 (CEST)] <skadinna>	C'mon people, don't be shy
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:17:46 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ok.. I have one: Why did you (as in anybody reading) chose to join promo?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:09 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	I have one: what's the current state of distro outreach efforts?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:42 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Oooh... Damn! That's a good one
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:54 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I don't know and I should
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	skadinna: ?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:15 (CEST)] <skadinna>	I haven't worked on that personally so I'm pretty much in the same boat as you :/
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:25 (CEST)] <skadinna>	We did form a group for that, though
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:32 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I know we have good relationship with openSUSE and now we have Debin on the advisory board
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:41 (CEST)] <Bro666>	there should be some advances there too
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	But then Canonical is also on the board...
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:02 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	IMO distro outreach is super important because both a perception as well as most of a reality that most major distros these days ship GNOME
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:09 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	(by default, that is)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:11 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	we need to start flipping some of them over to Plasma IMHO
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:11 (CEST)] <Bro666>	True
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:21 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	I know ALT Linux invests into KDE by translating lots of documentation and some code patches
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:22 (CEST)] <skadinna>	I mean, people signed up to do this kind of work, but there might have been a guidance issue on our part in the sense that we didn't give them any concrete tasks to work on
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:03 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	obviously it helps if the quality of our software is higher so our arguments are more convincing
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:19 (CEST)] <skadinna>	On the other hand, no one in Promo has to sit and wait for others to give them tasks... :) anyone can start an initiative on their own
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	True
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:57 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That said, 
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:07 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	but GNOME is getting a lot of bad press right now due to their performance problems and the realization that their extension architecture is fatally flawed from a technical standpoint, so there is an opportunity for distros who are dissatisfied with that state of affairs to consider Plasma, which has neither of those problems
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:20 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It seems like a task that nees to be carefully co-ordinated
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:30 (CEST)] <skadinna>	What I can tell you for sure is that people around the Web are wondering why Plasma is not the default choice on more distros VERY often
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:54 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	What idea exactly do we want to get across to the distros and whom do we target as contacts?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:55 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	yep, I see that too. A lot
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yeah, but they are usually people who are already converts, skadinna
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:31 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It is not like it's hard to install Plasma on most distros
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:36 (CEST)] <skadinna>	ilya_b is asking the right questions here :)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:41 (CEST)] <Bro666>	it is just not there by default
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:59 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have to work out who we have to convince to change that
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:24:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And how to convince them, of course
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:25:22 (CEST)] <Bro666>	This is a very interesting topic ngraham[m] and we have not spent enough time on it
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:46 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Ok, then we have quite a narrow choice of distributions to contact
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:54 (CEST)] Join	Nightrose (sid305783@kde/lydia) has joined this channel.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:27:51 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Who want to open a task? First order of business would be to compile that list of distros, ilya
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Hi Nightrose
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:41 (CEST)] <Nightrose>	hey
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:57 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Mint, SLE, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, Ubuntu are those that come to mind
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:29:16 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	For all of them there's a known reason they aren't using Plasma
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:29:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Many of those are going to be ultra-tough
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:29:49 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Fedora CentOS
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:29:55 (CEST)] <Bro666>	because of Red Hat
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:10 (CEST)] <neofytosk[m]>	there will be a distro BoF at Akademy, not sure how many of the big ones will be there.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:48 (CEST)] <neofytosk[m]>	https://community.kde.org/Akademy/2018/KDE_Distro_BoF_Lightning_Talks
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:54 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Interesting, neofytosk[m]
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:58 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Bro666: of those I named, which one do you think is worth trying?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:31:40 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Buf...
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Okay: Those with a corporate daddy will be tricky
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Execept for maybe SLE
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:29 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Okay, I lie. They will all be tricky
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:50 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	So...
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:33:15 (CEST)] <Bro666>	SLE is a possibility, since we already have a foot in the door with openSUSE
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:33:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Besides, they recently regained a certain degree of independence
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:33:49 (CEST)] <Bro666>	The switche to Gnome because of Novell
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:33:54 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That is long past
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:34:12 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	For that, we would have to persuade SUSE that Plasma is stable and feature-rich enough to serve as a corporate DE
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:34:23 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	But is it?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:34:26 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Stable, mainly stable
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:34:54 (CEST)] <Bro666>	feature-rich is not a big concern for corporate 
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:35:33 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Or maybe... We could emphasize that DE would serve as a difference from Fedora and Ubuntu
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:35:39 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	A marketing feature
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:13 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Heh... "Different" is not a good selling point either, unfortunately
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:14 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Unless businesses stick to GNOME so badly they can't afford to risk their habits
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Not to a company
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And SUSE deals mainly with companies
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:11 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Ok, that has to be discussed in a task.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:14 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Is there a popular distro I haven't named that is worth trying to "convert"?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:19 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Debian
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:30 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We are still in the honeymoon phase
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We should definitely bring this matter up
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:06 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Isn't Debian affiliated with GNU?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Not especially, no
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:26 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Trisquel is
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:34 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Then yeah, agreed
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yeah, we should figure these details out in the task
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:28 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Is there a distro someone knows that we've missed?..
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:36 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Manjaro is topping the list at distrowatch
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:43 (CEST)] Quit	ilya_b ([email protected]) has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:49 (CEST)] <Bro666>	quite often lately
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:23 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Oh
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:31 (CEST)] <Bro666>	He left
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:54 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> Sorry was afk for a bit
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Don't worry
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We will post logs
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:19 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> Joined promo to help promote kde
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:32 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot>	<ilyaishere> Connection issues, I'm still here
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Obviously!
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:42:16 (CEST)] Join	ilya_b ([email protected]) has joined this channel.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:42:22 (CEST)] <Bro666>	There he is
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:42:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I was sying "Manjaro", ilya_b
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:42:45 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Bro666: Manjaro comes in three editions
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:42:56 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I know
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:43:03 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	KDE is listed higher than GNOME, if that matters :)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:43:13 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Xfce being "default"
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:43:27 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Exactly
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:43:37 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	But again, a matter of one list point :)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:43:48 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It would be preferable that KDE were default
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:44:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	(the top option)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:44:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Just saying
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:44:59 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Here we probably have to tell them that Plasma is simple by default and powerful when needed :)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:45:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	But let's not get into the details here... Start a task, ilya_b or ngraham[m] and we'll figure things out there
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:45:14 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Yep.
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:45:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I have to leave, people, I have an appointment
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:45:45 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Goodbye and good luck ;)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:45:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Thanks!
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:10 (CEST)] <Bro666>	skadinna: you'll collect the logs, right?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:29 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Telegram has the logs
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:47:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	True
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:47:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Okay. See you

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