Re: New Long Term Goal

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paul Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

> On domingo, 10 de marzo de 2019 1:00:00 (CET) Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 7:58 AM Lydia Pintscher <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:32 PM Paul Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Hello Promoers,
> > > >
> > > > Today we added a new Long Term Goal to our list at
> > > >
> > > > https://community.kde.org/Promo%27s_Long_Term_Goals
> > > >
> > > > The goal reads:
> > > >
> > > > """
> > > Help establish a working durable and stable relationships with
> large, long-
> > > standing, FLOSS-friendly organisations, such as Mozilla, Wikipedia,
> > >
> > > Apache, Blender, the Document Foundation, etc. Over the next 5 years
> we want to
> > > help increase by ten the number of organisations that we work closely
> with
> > > and, preferably have them join the advisory board. This will help us
> have an
> > > even better integration of popular software (such as Firefox, Blender
> 3D,
> > >  LibreOffice, etc.) with Plasma, and increment the number of developers
> > >  supporting Plasma and KDE-related applications and technologies
> outside
> > > our community. This will not only help increase the number of
> contributors
> > > to our project, but also offer a better and more coherent experience
> to our
> > > users. We will carry out this goal by leveraging our connections,
> talking directly
> > > to people we already know within each project, inviting them to
> joint activities
> > > (events and sprints), inviting them to become part of the
> Advisory Board, and
> > >  in general listening and solving their concerns they have with regard
> to
> > > > working upstream with us.
> > > > """
> > >  We have a similar goal for distributions, but nothing for non-distro,
> > >  but FLOSS-related communities, so I think this covers a hole.
> > > >
> > > > If you think otherwise, or think this should be amended please say so
> > > here, in the Telegram/Matrix/IRC group/room, or commenting on the
> "Discussion"
> > > page of the Wiki entry.
> > >
> > > Hey :)
> > >
> > > That sounds good! Given that it has implications way beyond promo it'd
> > > be good to take this to the community mailinglist.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Lydia
>
> Hello Valorie,
>
> > I agree with Lydia on this because the community is bigger than just the
> > Promo group and thus posting on the Community list will give us more
> chance
> > of finding folks with ties to whatever group we are focusing on. In fact
> > some community members may even be employed by one of these groups and
> thus
> > may have inside knowledge to the best people to contact.
>
> As I explain elsewhere, the goal is not a task. The goal is what we hope
> to
> achieve by carrying out specific tasks. If you want, the goal is what
> gives a
> task its focus and the tasks are what require involvement from the rest of
> the
> community.
>
> If we want of get Firefox developers to improve integration with Plasma
> for
> example,  we may float the idea of having them attend a sprint. If we do
> the
> groundwork and reach the conclusion that it would be good for us to have
> the
> Apache Foundation join the Advisory Board, we would go and talk to the
> Board
> and the e.V.
>
> These are two very different tasks that involve different people within
> the
> community, which Promo will talk to first, before approaching Mozilla or
> the
> Apache Foundation. These tasks themselves have very little in common with
> each
> other, probably the only thing is that they both help to achieve the
> overall
> goal.
>
> This is a roundabout way of saying: yes, we will involve the rest of the
> community, of course... But for each concrete task, as the tasks are what
> require other people to work or what other people could object to, not the
> goal.
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
>

Yes, that makes sense. On the other hand, Promo is part of the community,
so staying transparent there is a good way to get more contributors. -v