Re: Cataloging workflow

El mié., 1 may. 2019 a las 0:14, Andreas Schleth (<schleth_es-S0/[email protected]>)
escribió:

> Hi Angel,
>

Hi Andreas,


>
> tagging and cataloging can be made into a science (e.g.
> http://dublincore.org/). But this is overkill for private pictures.
> Everyone has her or his own preferences and these preferences may change
> over time. If you want to become a professional photographer, you might dig
> quite a bit deeper and start learning about digital asset management and
> the best tags to choose for marketable stock photos. But this is not for me.
>

Thank you, I work in science and that is probably because I try to be
systematic with this, but I forget that my photo collection is and
disordered and no systematic. I will use your advise of using simple
categories for the more important things.


>
> I use 3 primary categories:
> * People
> * Places
> * Keywords
> These are the defaults in KPA.
>
> My most important one is "People". I try to tag all people in my pictures.
> This is tremendously useful for me: find a name and then boil down with the
> timeline an within 2 minutes you find the image of XY at event Z.
> Then "Places" - I have places like "Rhine Valley" or "Italy" or "Milano"
> (being a sub tag for Italy). Nothing too specific except for places where I
> or somebody significant for me lives. There is also a place "no place" for
> things that are not really locatable, like screenshots or the occasional
> document scan.
> My "Keywords"-list is a jumble of unrelated tags like: "night shot",
> "portrait", "panorama", "heaven and clouds", "street photography", "some
> event name", "Christmas" - some pretty generic, some more specific. These
> tags are only marginally useful, as I do not follow a strict regime in most
> cases. You could do that a lot better. But ... see above "science"...
>

For me, keeping a tidy Keywords category could be possible only I tag all
my collection in a couple of days, otherwise it will turn also into a
jumble :))
From all three experiences you all teach me, I realize that People and
places are the most important (and their contents are easy to write !! )


> Then I have 2 additional categories:
> * "quality and selection"
> - This is for tagging images as "OK" "good" "very good" (this is older
> than the 1-5 stars) but also for "selection 2014 for grandpa's calendar" or
> "rework needed", "desktop background" or "bad", "delete this"... This list
> of tags is fairly short and tends to grow very slowly.
>

Quality I will use (but the new 1-5 star method), your selection, in the
other hand, seems really a good idea I think it's very informative. Will
use it.


> * "source"
> - What camera? or "who is it from" (with a super tag: "other people") or
> which program was used to generate the image (gimp, hugin, ...)
>
> That's it. My images go into a similar folder structure as your's:
> my_images / 2019 / 03_some_event_name (I have only 5 to 10 folders within
> the same month)
> There seems to be some consensus, as I have seen similar structures quite
> often at other people's collections (and I have asked around too).
>
> I use tokens (A-Z) a lot for temporary selections to speed up tagging:
> Skip through the slideshow and tag all the good ones with "O", then select
> images with token "O" and tag them in one go with "quality" = "OK", and
> discard the token "O" right away.
>

Tokens are a really clever idea in kphotoalbum. Bravo Jesper !!!


>
> In the beginning I started naming images. Now I leave the label as is
> (=filename). Very rarely I add some description - for the select few really
> important pictures.
>

I see. As me filenames are like "2019-02-15_001.cr2", or
"2019-02-15_001-edited.jpg" I think I prefer having that homogeneous
information  in the thumbnail view for all images. Writing something in the
description field seems a good idea.


> If you take pictures about a special topic, you might add a new category
> just for this purpose. If you are a sports photographer, you might need a
> category "Teams" and so on...
>
> In the end, the whole business is not about "right or wrong" but about
> finding your images quickly. Find out, what is important to you, what you
> remember easily and stick to that. Also, you can always add or edit the
> tags at some later time - if or when necessary.
>

As you say, "stick to that" !  Like deciding I write only "name" or "name
and surname" for people (I know several people called David , hahaha)
Modify things is another great feature of KPA, as one is tagging images is
possible to rename a category and every other picture tagged will stay
correctly bonded to the new name.


>
> For the record: I started using KPA 3 years later than you. Isn't it great
> to have a tool that is still prospering after so many years!
>

Of course it is !!! And having people like you (not only yoy, but Joe,
Johannes, Robert, Tobias and many others) trying to help .

Thank you.


>
> Cheers, Andreas
>
> PS:
> Setting a fixed zoom level that does not change when switching images in
> viewer mode sounds like an interesting idea ... then the visible frame
> should be static for each of the images and probably the same for all
> images in the range. Right now, I see that the focus lies more on
> modernizing/stabilizing the code than on adding new features as Johannes
> has mentioned a few times.
> However, I have a workaround for You:
> * select the images you want to compare and open all of them in Gimp
> (should not be more than a handful)
> * in Gimp go to the zoom level and spot you want and switch with "alt-1" /
> "alt-2" ... between the images.
> * the zoom stays the same and the frame also
> Second workaround: Darktable (I use it for raw processing, but it can work
> with jpegs as well): in darkroom mode the zoom level is kept constant
> between images. I check my focus there and discard the bad ones right here
> before developing them into my KPA folder structure as jpegs for keeping. I
> even delete all the bad raw files after a while. There is enough stuff on
> my disk anyway.
>
>
As I said to the others, I just discovered "geeqie" (www.geeqie.org) and
think I does the work very well. Fast browsing even the 20MP raw files. and
possibility to split the display showing two photographs while linking zoom
and pan (via Shift key).
I all use Darktable for processing.

Regards,

Angel.


>
> Am 30.04.19 um 16:30 schrieb Angel Lopez:
>
> Hello,
>
> I've been using kphotoalbum since 2002, but not really "properly".
> They I use is:
> Copy photographs to computer, in direfferent folders:
>
> /Photographs/
> /Photographs/2018/
>   /Photographs/2018/2018-01-01_New Year
>   /Photographs/2018/2018-02-14_Ana Bithday
>  ...
> /Photographs/2019 /
>   /Photographs/2019/2019-03-19_Trip to Rusia
>  ...
>
> And kphotoalbum database is inside /Photographs.
>
> The first 4 years of use, I tagged pictures with People, Places, Events...
> But nowadays What I were doing was to use the Tokens for select pictures to
> keep which ones to delete, which ones to send to a friend...
> Even I do not know which would be the right old database.xml file.
>
> Now I started to catalog all of them, But I would like to now what
> categories and keywords do other people use. I now this is not a problem
> with a single solution, but some tips would be useful.
> Yesterday, I tagged a some pictures with Keyword="river", and several
> photographs later, I started to tag a set of photographs of a trip to a
> river source, where some of them do not have the river itself in the
> photograph. So, how to deal with this?
> How do you use label, and descriptions fields?
>
> I found this place:
> https://lightroom-keyword-list-project.blogspot.com/p/get-list.html
> But I found that list really huge.
>
> As a side question, I could not find an option fix the Zoom level while
> viewing images. Could be a nice feature to compare to or three photographs
> in a series for the sharpest of them. Is this possible?
>
> Thank you all.
>
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