Re: Look 'n Field

L=F8rdag 21 juni 2008 18:09 skrev Fr=E9d=E9ric Lambert:
> Hi !
>
> This is my first feelings when I Open KPlato today (Normal project) after
> months.
First feelings are always valuable :)
>
> - 4 vertical windows : it's too too much i think.
> - Where am i ?
Hmm, these are dockers, aren't they?
I haven't had time yet to look at how to not load (or not show) dockers at =

startup. The koffice libs loads all dockers by default for all apps, but =

since kplato doesn't use them I want to avoid that.

(The dockers state is saved in your personal settigs, so if you close those =

you don't want (which are all except the view selctor) they won't show up =

next time you start kplato.)
>
> I really think the window displayed when user open new project should be a
> help windows. It would tell user which windows do what and where he has to
> start.
Yes, that would be nice!
> Even if user is a "always user" of project managment software, you
> shouldn't let him open on Task Editor.
Hmmm, I don't know a better place (if not a help window) when starting a ne=
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project.
Note that some context info is saved with the project file, so when opening=
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project it will open in the view that was active when the project was saved.
>
> This is what i found, no matter the order :
>
> Ressources : Add group, Add Resources : Fred. Add Resources : Bobby.
> I Edit the first Ressource : Fred and his details are on the right window.
> Ok. I edit the second and i haven't the details on the right under the
> first ressource, why ? I think it's a bug.
Yes, it's a bug, haven't seen it before so it must be something fairly new.
If you collapse/expand the group things will appear.
I'll have a look at it.
>
> Work & Vacation :
> - Left window souldn't has such vertical length.
> I think Calendar should take all the width and add some colors.
>
> Scale windows :
> - Gantt windows aren't well scaled : % Completed and Start Time to large
> - Task by ressource : Type too large.
> - Work and vacation : timezone too large.
> - Task Status and Task Execution : Name too large.
> - Ressource assignments : Name too small
> - Task by ressources : Name and Tasks too small
This is because the window is split into two using a QSplitter which by def=
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devides the window into 2 equally large parts.
>
> Dependencies :
>
> Dependencies List :
> - windows aren't in the good order.
> First : Tasks , Second : Available , Third: Results ?
> Because we must select right, then left, and show in the middle ?
Yes, maybe, but I didn't find that very intuitive either because we are =

working with tasks (sucessors) and their predecessor tasks. My idea was to =

have the predecessors to the left the get it organized like
predecessor->dependency->successor
but this goes (like you point out) aginst the more common approach to selec=
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someting on the left side and get the result on the right side. I have no =

strong feelings about it, any organization (that works) is fine with me :)
> Title are not very explicit.
True
> Middle window has no title : what does it show ?
Dependencies ;)
Well, Parent (task), Type of dependency and Lag
>
> - Can't we merge the two Dependencies windows to be sure of what we do?
> Up : List, Down : Graphic ; whith the possibility to show graphics in the
> full window. At least in the Dependencies List,  a preview gantt windows
> focus on the task selected.
Personnaly I would put my time into the graphics view because I would choos=
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to work that way most of the time, and I won't have time for both.
I think the main things missing are:
- Show selectable areas on the task items
- Show the task structure
- Show more info (like WBS code) for each task. (configurable)
- Make it possible to Expand/Collapse summary tasks
- Add a way to edit all dependencies for a task (new dialog)
- Make it possible to do it all with keyboard only
>
> -when adding a new Task (Task Editor), Why can't we choose to start a task
> before, After and same time than the X task (Already added) ?
Hmm, don't know exactly what you mean.
In general, you have to calculate a project schedule (in the schedule edito=
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to get a start time for a task. You could of course set a (start) constrain=
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but still you have to schedule.
>
> General :
> - Calendar widget in Timezone Editor don't show all dates number.
Do you mean the dialog you open with context menu? In that case it's a bug =

somewhere that paints dates in white. The reason I haven't fixed it is time=
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and I'm not sure wether to keep the dialog or not.
> - Why hide all the informations like in Task Status, Resource assignemts,
> Task by resources and Schedule : Result ?
You mean why items are not expanded by default?
Well, that's the way qt behaves by default ;)
>
> Finaly i think that the most important thing to do is to add a sentence  =
on
> the top of each window or in the bar in the bottom of KPlato. to :
> 1) Say what current window show and 2) how use it.
> Exemple : i didn't notice we could link task in the depencies graphics
> until moving on a very tiny part of a task rectangle.
(This editor have only the bare bones functionallity yet.)
> Add comment in bottom would be nice.
What about adding a "What's this" to the view selector. Tooltip is allready =

there.
In general there should be a *lot* of "What's this" added all over the plac=
e.
Also tooltips are missing in alot of places and some of those present isn't =

necessary very good.
>
> I think kplato is really powerfull and it diserve to be more user friendl=
y,
> I think it will conqueer more people and evoid to afraid them when they
> open KPlato for the first time.
Agree, I'm not particularly good at usability so comments are always wellco=
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If somebody would also implement it, I would be absolutly thrilled.
>
> I'm done for now.
>
> Please tell me what you wanna modify and i'll do.
Still think you should do the chart first.
>
> Fred.
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