Re: Fwd: Hayes

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On Tuesday January 28, 2003 03:16, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Good that I continued reading before writing my own oppinion on it - as
> Marc already wrote it. If Hayes is distributed with KDE (in the one or
> the other form) people will connect it with noatun, so if it makes
> noatun unstable or less functional (please don't overread the word "if"
> here), then the noatun maintainer should have a final say about it
> beeing shipped. Of course this should be on a technical level and as far
> as I understood, Charles provided these technical reasons.

He didn't say it crashed, so that's half the if.

And for the other half, I can show you why Hayes provides more 
functionality, not less.  The ways include, but are not limited to:

1. Hayes uses KFileMetaInfo instead of its own system of gathering 
information.  If Charles finds KFMI to be lacking, he should fix it in 
kdelibs where all of KDE, including Hayes, will benefit.  Saying that KDE 
is inadequate shouldn't be a reason to exclude KDE code from release.

2. Charles' SPL playlist requires you to manually add or remove files from 
the playlist every time you download, delete, rename, or reorganize your 
collection.  Hayes does not.

3. Hayes integrates with Konqueror (both allowing easy opening of a 
Konqueror window of a paricular music directory, and allowing easy 
playback in Hayes via a Konqueror service menu).  SPL does not.  Charles 
suggests that there should be a way to disable the service menu when Hayes 
isn't on, and I agree, but that can only be fixed in Konqueror, not Hayes.

4. Hayes is very fast with large collections of music.  Try using SPL with 
a collection of tens of thousands of files.  At least one of my regular 
Hayes testers has a collection that big.

5. Hayes has a better DCOP interface.  Charles hinted at this, that he  
can't be added to the other Noatun playlists without breaking binary 
compatibility.

6. Hayes is an optional playlist, not selected by default.  Only a user who 
actively seeks out the configuration, ignores the playlist warning, and 
chooses Hayes will have the SPL replaced by Hayes.

But despite all this, if the policy is going to say that a maintainer's 
word is final on his own app, so be it.  But I would expect this policy to 
be consistently applied, and not ignored when the maintainer is, say, me 
disagreeing over  icons.
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