Re: Wifi setting for how to store password is hard to find

Sorry for top posting, using stupid webmail.

That i think is a very good idea, i actually was working in a patch to achieve that but somehow i got stuck on getting the alignment of the elements correctly (which seems you got nicely working).
For me +1 (i can volunteer to review the code if you want)
Cheers,  Albert

      De: Jan Grulich <[email protected]>
 Para: Thomas Pfeiffer <[email protected]> 
CC: KDE Usability Project <[email protected]>
 Enviado: Lunes 17 de octubre de 2016 14:31
 Asunto: Re: Wifi setting for how to store password is hard to find
   
On pondělí 10. října 2016 21:02:26 CEST Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> On 10.10.2016 09:46, Jan Grulich wrote:
> > On neděle 9. října 2016 19:36:56 CEST Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> >> On 08.10.2016 19:01, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> >>> El dissabte, 1 d’octubre de 2016, a les 0:36:36 CEST, Albert Astals Cid
> >>> va
> >>> 
> >>> escriure:
> >>>> Hi, there, i wanted to change how the wifi password is stored (from
> >>>> 
> >>>> encrypted to not encrypted so it's available before anyone logs in),
> >>>> but
> >>>> 
> >>>> even knowing what i wanted to change i needed to google for it and
> >>>> ended
> >>>> up
> >>>> 
> >>>> in some forum that told me to click on the icon next to the password
> >>>> field
> >>>> 
> >>>> to get a popup menu, i.e.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> http://i.imgur.com/Szs5BH0.png
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I think that this is quite hard to find (even if it's a relatively
> >>>> 
> >>>> "advanced" setting) and given we have enough space in that dialog it
> >>>> could
> >>>> 
> >>>> fit nicely either as a radio group or as a combo button below the
> >>>> password
> >>>> 
> >>>> field.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> what do you think?
> >>> 
> >>> Ping?
> >> 
> >> Hi Albert,
> >> sorry for not replying before, it slipped through the cracks.
> >> 
> >> You have a point that it's currently not very obvious how to change it.
> >> The
> >> issue is that it's quite technical stuff which might scare people who
> >> know
> >> nothing about it.
> >> On the other hand, most of those people might never actually see that
> >> dialog because they just enter their WiFi password through the Plasmoid
> >> and are done with it.
> >> Although there would be enough space for a radio group and that would
> >> require less clicks to change, I'd opt for a combo box in this case
> >> because
> >> it can be ignored by people who don't care about changing it more easily.
> >> 
> >> What do you think, Jan?
> > 
> > If you think that this is better for users then I'm more than open to
> > change it/implement it, but I also like it the way it is done now,
> > because the UI is more clear  and nicer for me, but I agree that it's a
> > bit hard to discover those options.
> 
> It certainly does look nice, but if not even a long-time KDE developer finds
> it, chances are that less advanced users won't find it, either ;)
> 
> The problem is that while the eye icon for "show password" has become at
> least a little more widely-used by now, other buttons inside a text field
> are not common at all, which is why the icon may be easily misread as
> "Okay, this indicates to me that the password will be saved" and not as
> something you can interact with.

What about something like this:
https://jgrulich.fedorapeople.org/password-field-new.png

Or do it as it was before to have everything on one line, which gives you less 
space for description and gives only space for keywords like "Save" or "Not 
Save" or "Always ask".
https://jgrulich.fedorapeople.org/password-field.png

Regards,
Jan