Re: On going struggle to import KMail distribution list from KDE 3.5 or create new one (now using KDE 4.6)

Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2011, 04:32:57 schrieb chsu13:
> Hi Gil,
> you can try to find an answer to your problem at the buglist of KDE:
> http://bugs.kde.org
> Type, in this case maybe, "KAdressbook" into the search field and you
> will get the answer if someone else has sent a bug-report.
> or look into
> http://forum.kde.org/index.php
> Christian
> 
> Am Dienstag, 9. August 2011, 14:40:09 schrieb Gil Weber:
> > On Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:17:33 PM O. Sinclair wrote:
> > > On 09/08/2011 18:06, Gil Weber wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:54:28 AM O. Sinclair wrote:
> > > >> On 09/08/2011 15:07, Gil Weber wrote:
> > > >>> Hello, everyone. First post to this list.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Sorry that it's a bit long-winded, but I want to be
> > > >>> clear
> > > >>> describing my problem and what I've done to try to
> > > >>> find a
> > > >>> solution.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I have searched the archives here and using Google.
> > > >>> Everyone seems to have the same or similar problem,
> > > >>> but no solutions!> >>>
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> :o)
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I have recently upgraded from SuSE 11.1 to 11.4.
> > > >>> Formerly using KDE 3.5 and now using KDE 4.6.00.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I do not use Kontact, only KMail (v. 1.13.6)
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I have successfully migrated my e-mails from KDE 3.5,
> > > >>> but no matter what I do I'm having a terrible time
> > > >>> with the address book. I have copied over the address
> > > >>> book, but the names are in completely random order.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I need to have them sorted by last name so I can find
> > > >>> a name quickly, but I have not found a way to get
> > > >>> KMail to sort this way.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Can anyone help with this first issue?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Further I cannot figure out how to copy over my old
> > > >>> distribution lists, nor can I figure out how to
> > > >>> create new ones.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I have looked and looked at various sources including
> > > >>> SuSE and KDE discussion lists. Many, many, many
> > > >>> people describe the same problem, but nobody seems to
> > > >>> have an answer -- at least I have not found it.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> In the process of trying things I may well have
> > > >>> screwed up
> > > >>> something in KMail (perhaps Akonadi?) so I really need
> > > >>> help. (I am **not** a Linux guru!)
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Can anyone help with this second issue of importing my
> > > >>> existing distribution lists and/or creating new ones
> > > >>> in KDE 4.6?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I am simply desperate to get the address book resorted
> > > >>> and the distribution lists working as my business
> > > >>> depends on being able to communicate with clients and
> > > >>> subscribers.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Many thanks for your wise counsel and tolerance of
> > > >>> this
> > > >>> frustrated penguin.
> > > >> 
> > > >> You can forget your old distribution lists,
> > > >> unfortunately. They are now known as "Groups" and you
> > > >> will have to recreate them (please find me wrong anyone
> > > >> but as far as I can remember I had to..).
> > > >> 
> > > >> in Kaddressbook, choose menu "File" and then "New" and
> > > >> then Group. Add contacts by pressing the + sign and
> > > >> start typing their names.
> > > >> 
> > > >> As for your sorting issue I hope someone else can assist
> > > >> you.
> > > >> 
> > > >> In all honesty "Contacts" or Kaddressbook is still a far
> > > >> cry from what it was before migrating to Akonadi
> > > >> technology in terms of usability. In my opinion that
> > > >> is... I think I have recreated my lists close to 10
> > > >> times after "upgrades" rendered them unusable. For a
> > > >> while I resorted to empty template emails addressed to
> > > >> those I wanted to reach as a list.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Just to confuse they are still called Distribution Lists
> > > >> in new mail(s) but Groups in Kaddressbook...
> > > >> 
> > > >> Best
> > > >> Sinclair
> > > > 
> > > > Sinclair, thanks for this informative reply.
> > > > 
> > > > Just so I understand you correctly, you're saying I will
> > > > have to retype each and every name and address into a new
> > > > "Group" to create a mailing list? I can't simply go
> > > > "click, click, click" on the various names to add them?
> > > > 
> > > > And where/when do I press the + sign?
> > > > 
> > > > After I do as you've suggested I see a box where I can
> > > > enter the new Group's name.
> > > > 
> > > > Then below that is an area where I can type in last names
> > > > and it adds the e-mail address. So far, so good.
> > > > 
> > > > But then when I click "OK" there are no names in the
> > > > Group.
> > > > 
> > > > What am I not understanding about this process? Does it
> > > > have
> > > > something to do with the + sign?
> > > > Thx
> > > 
> > > Gil,
> > > 
> > > unfortunately there is no (that I know of) "choose a bunch of
> > > contacts and then create a list". It still exists as an option
> > > in a mail you create (save as distribution list, right?) but
> > > I don't think it works at this moment.
> > > 
> > > you give the group a name, click the first "envelope" line in
> > > the window and start typing. Your chosen contact should show
> > > up after a few letters. Then you click on the next empty
> > > "envelop line". Sorry the plus sign seems to be a phantom in
> > > my memory, could be that it existed in an earlier version.
> > 
> > Sinclair, again, thanks. I really appreciate the time you've put
> > into your answers. But still it's not working.   :o(
> > 
> > 1) I saved a nine-name group following your directions.
> > 2) When I then try to look at the contents of the group it shows 0
> > contacts.
> > 3) I sent a test e-mail anyway to the (supposed) group.
> > 4) It bounced back to me as undeliverable, stating the message had
> > been addressed to <name of the group>@<name of my computer>.com
> > 
> > But clearly I did not send the message to that non-existent
> > address. Rather, I sent it (or tried to send it) to 9 distinct
> > e-mail addresses that are in my address book.
> > 
> > This is the same problem that has been described repeatedly on
> > various discussion groups.
> > 
> > How can this significant problem be so widespread for so long
> > since the release of KDE 4 yet it's still not fixed? Or has it
> > been fixed but we're not aware of the fix?
> > 
> > Thanks
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using kmail 1.3.5 and kaddressbook 4.4.9 I can create 'groups'.  However, they 
are totally useless as they are not expanded into the corresponding list of 
addresses at send time.

Bernd
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