Re: Offline Email

Daniel Vrátil <[email protected]> Tue, 21 Jun 2016 19:59:26 +0200
Newsgroups	gmane.comp.kde.users.pim
Organization	KDE
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On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 1:35:45 PM CEST Michael Mol wrote:
<snip>
> 
> > > Other settings, like enablement and sizes of various caches, really
> > > ought
> > > to be exposed to the user somehow. :-|
> > 
> > Hmm, IMO if you are knowledgeable enough to be able to fine-tune the
> > variables you probably have no problem manually editing them in my.conf.
> > Once you introduce a UI with configuration like this people will start
> > playing with the sliders and likely break something....
> 
> Not really able to break anything, unless you count performance.
> 
> My frustration with having to edit my.cnf stems from the shift in context;
> my Akonadi data is now stored somewhere where the files aren't owned by my
> user account. (Unless there's some place under $HOME where there's a my.cnf
> file I didn't know about...)

~/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf  :-)

The default Akonadi MySQL configuration file is in /etc/xdg/akonadi/mysql-
global.conf. On the first start Akonadi will copy the file to ~/.local/share/
akonadi/.

You can create ~/.config/akonadi/mysql-local.conf file with your own 
overrides. Akonadi will append it to the mysql-global.conf and write the 
result to ~/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf. You don't want to edit ~/.local/
share/akonadi/mysql.conf directly because the changes will be overwritten 
whenever mysql-global.conf is updated (we compare last modified timestamps).

Dan


> 
> > I have in my mind for some time now a sort of first run autodetection that
> > would detect some basic characteristics (HDD vs SDD, how much RAM you
> > have,
> > ...) and would adjust some of the cache numbers based on some predefined
> > presets. Might be an interesting junior-job...:-)
> 
> I wouldn't want that as a "first-run", but maybe as a "recommended value"
> user knobs would default to... ;)
> 
> The RAM consumption, especially, will vary greatly by user patterns, not
> just system memory available. One of my hats is as a DBA, and I'll attest
> that there's no silver bullet...
> 
> > > On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 07:06:22 PM Daniel Vrátil wrote:
> > > > Indeed, massive amount of emails takes longer and requires bit more
> > > > resources. We can't unfortunately tune MySQL to cover all usecases
> > > > (from
> > > > couple hundreds to hundreds of thousands) without one or the other
> > > > side
> > > > complaining about performance issues or high resource consumption.
> > > > 
> > > > I have a rather good performance results with PostgreSQL btw without
> > > > any
> > > > tuning btw.
> > > > 
> > > > For users with small amount of emails on only one or two accounts and
> > > > relatively low traffic I would recommend SQLite as they will not
> > > > suffer
> > > > from concurrent-write issues.
> > > > 
> > > > Dan
> > > > 
> > > > On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:55:25 PM CEST Michael Mol wrote:
> > > > > I will note that will take a *long* time to synchronize if you have
> > > > > a
> > > > > great
> > > > > deal of email to synchronize, and it may require you to tune the
> > > > > MySQL
> > > > > instance Akonadi uses for system performance to be reasonable.
> > > > > 
> > > > > For example, on my system, I have these configured...it required me
> > > > > to
> > > > > point akonadi at a different mysqld than the one it wanted to spawn
> > > > > so
> > > > > I
> > > > > could get the configuration in place, but it works. (It's also tuned
> > > > > for
> > > > > my system, which has 16GB of RAM. If you have less, you'll want
> > > > > innodb_buffer_pool_size much lower.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > innodb_buffer_pool_size = 4096M
> > > > > innodb_buffer_pool_instances = 16
> > > > > innodb_flush_method=O_DIRECT
> > > > > innodb_buffer_pool_load_at_startup=ON
> > > > > innodb_buffer_pool_dump_at_shutdown=ON
> > > > > innodb_flush_log_at_trx_commit = 2
> > > > > innodb_file_per_table
> > > > > 
> > > > > skip-innodb_doublewrite
> > > > > query_cache_type=ON
> > > > > query_cache_size=256M
> > > > > thread_cache_size=256
> > > > > 
> > > > > I also have a couple sysctl values set:
> > > > > 
> > > > > vm.dirty_background_bytes = 131072
> > > > > vm.dirty_bytes = 1048576
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > With those, I can heavy disk activity coming from MySQL during the
> > > > > initial
> > > > > sync process (ten years of email, in my case), with the rest of the
> > > > > system
> > > > > remaining somewhat usable. Once the initial sync is complete, system
> > > > > load
> > > > > dies down considerably. Though a full resync of a folder with
> > > > > hundreds
> > > > > of
> > > > > thousands of messages in it will still take quite a while, it won't
> > > > > make
> > > > > the rest of the computer unusable.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 06:47:00 PM Daniel Vrátil wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:39:29 AM CEST Mike Cleveland wrote:
> > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm wondering if Kontact email can be used offline acceptably.
> > > > > > > As
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > writing and responding to emails offline and then automatically
> > > > > > > sending
> > > > > > > when online.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > being able to work with your emails while not connected to
> > > > > > internet
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > of the core features of Kontact.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When setting up you IMAP account you can check "Download all
> > > > > > messages
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > offline use" and you will have all your emails cached locally. You
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > anything you want to with them like if you were online and Kontact
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > automatically replay all the changes once you connect to internet
> > > > > > again.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Daniel
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I just heard about Open365 today and am getting started, sorry
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > newbie question.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Mike


-- 
Daniel Vrátil
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