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[12:55:23] <frauke> because I think we should try to stick to our style
[12:55:32] <Ines> I agree
[12:55:55] <frauke> chowells6234: where is your tutorial again? I forgot it again :)
[12:56:05] <chowells6234> kde.org/media/readme.php
[12:56:15] <frauke> chowells6234: thanks :)
[12:56:51] <frauke> Ines: maybe you want to read that. and if you have questions about it you can ask me or chowells6234, I guess
[12:57:03] <Ines> printing...
[12:57:18] <frauke> :)
[12:57:45] <Ines> oh it's a basic php manual + a bit of policies
[12:57:52] <Ines> alrighty will read
[12:58:00] <frauke> Ines: how will be the start...first the database and when that is ready the webinterface ?
[12:58:28] <Ines> yes, you build from there
[12:59:03] <Ines> because you  work with database entities
[12:59:30] <frauke> very well
[13:00:03] <frauke> I don't know, maybe you got some mail from Katrin, she could help you with the db, if she has time
[13:00:57] <Ines> I only need help understanding the scenario
[13:01:29] <frauke> that's no problem. I will answer all your questions. We'll figure out how it should work :)
[13:01:48] <Ines> I will probably bug whoever volunteers to explain me how things usually work in the developer/maintainers/$foo in KDE
[13:02:05] <Ines> and I'll build that
[13:02:56] <frauke> I think you'll find your answers :)
[13:03:49] <frauke> the connections between developers/maintainers/contributors aren't that hard to understand, I guess
[13:04:21] <frauke> just ask what you want to know
[13:04:27] <Ines> never been one of those so I guess this is a pretty good project to start belonging somewhere
[13:05:58] <frauke> good, any other questions or organizing about the database?
[13:06:47] <Ines> I will probably read everything I have and send an email to the list
[13:06:53] <Ines> is that ok?
[13:06:56] <frauke> sure
[13:07:47] <frauke> So, should we discuss the translation as well?
[13:08:00] <Ines> ?
[13:08:23] <Ines> translation as in part of the tasks to be handled by the application?
[13:08:29] <frauke> no, no
[13:08:33] <Ines> or as in "let's translate"
[13:08:39] <frauke> the translation of the website
[13:08:42] <Ines> aaahh
[13:08:45] <Ines> sure
[13:09:10]  Signoff: chowells6234 (Remote closed the connection)
[13:09:32] <frauke> damn, I knew it. He quit when I start talking about the translation
[13:09:47] <Tuxy> yes :(
[13:10:15] <frauke> how long will we have to wait vor chowells to write the shell script?
[13:10:57] <Tuxy> how does it work then anyways?
[13:12:08] <frauke> with the help of the shell script everything on the website that stands in the code between <i18n> tags will be copied into a .pot file
[13:12:36] <frauke> this .potfile can be translated then. for every language there will be a .po file then
[13:12:48] <Tuxy> ah, I see
[13:12:53] <frauke> Lisi_meeting could explain things much better then me :)
[13:13:00] <Tuxy> :)
[13:13:23] <frauke> but our problem is the shell script
[13:13:49] <frauke> we are waiting nearly a half year now and it is still not ready
[13:13:58] <annma> yes, that's bad
[13:14:31] <frauke> we should think about a way to get the script, maybe without his help
[13:14:52] <Tuxy> but how? is there somebody else who could do it?
[13:14:58] <annma> without his help will be very difficult, he is the only one who knows that stuff
[13:15:07] <frauke> that's true
[13:15:09] <Ines> couldn't we ask other translators how they made theirs
[13:15:17] <Ines> and write our own?
[13:15:24] <annma> it's the first time it's being done
[13:15:29] <Ines> aaahh
[13:15:33] <annma> for a website
[13:15:40] <Ines> then how do other people translate their stuff?
[13:15:54] <annma> I guess they edit html pages
[13:16:01] <frauke> we use the i18n system for application
[13:16:03] <annma> I am not sure
[13:16:41] <frauke> the websites of www.kde.org in other languages, are whole new websites, they are not exactely the same site
[13:17:28] <frauke> there is a website in german for example and I asked the webmaster what it is about, and he told me that it is a completly different website with a different domain
[13:18:03] <frauke> and we are the first who have implemented the <i18n> tags in the website code
[13:18:23] <frauke> but without a script that generated .pot files, we can't start the translation
[13:19:17] <frauke> annma: you told me something about a discussion at the www mailinglist, could you tell me again, I forgot most of it, but I think it could be important
[13:19:53] <annma> well, I did not understand everything that was being said
[13:20:18] <annma> but basically chowells does not want another person to do it
[13:20:41] <Ines> but he won't do it either
[13:20:43] <frauke> could you find the thread for me on lists.kde.org?
[13:21:13] <annma> http://lists.kde.org/?t=107314362200002&r=1&w=2
[13:21:36] <annma> it starts here: http://lists.kde.org/?t=107314362200002&r=2&w=2
[13:24:25]  frauke is reading
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[13:46:54] <frauke> that's a very long thread...man
[13:47:16] <annma> yes!!!
[13:47:20] <Tuxy> yes :)
[13:53:15]  Lisi_meeting is now known as Lisi
[13:53:26] <Lisi> Hi girls - I've already read everything
[13:53:38] <Tuxy> Hi Lisi
[13:53:55] <Lisi> about web site translation: there is no easy way
[13:54:04] <annma> hi Lisi
[13:54:28] <annma> basically we need someone to implement this script
[13:54:33] <Lisi> 2 options: implement i18n entries in PHP code, or translate direct for each language
[13:54:53] <Lisi> Stephen Coolo controls these today in KDE ([email protected])
[13:55:03] <annma> i18n is done but not extracted
[13:55:42] <annma> kdevelop.org does translations though but the easy way
[13:55:57] <annma> one translates directly the html pages
[13:58:52] <frauke> ok, I read all the stuff now about the i18n translation, the whole thread on kde-www
[13:59:38] <frauke> unfortuately I have to leave soon. But I'll be back in 90 min. I don't know if you all can wait here
[14:00:04] <annma> not too long
[14:00:05] <frauke> but I think that there are three possibilities for the translation problem
[14:00:28] <frauke> first one: we wait for chowells to finish the scripts
[14:01:11] <frauke> second: try to figure out, what the scripts are all about and do it ourselfs or with the help of the www people
[14:01:53] <frauke> third: translating without i18n, maybe while using gettext directly or while storing every page in all translated languages
[14:03:33] <frauke> we can try to get the stuff from chowells, but I don't think that he will share his scripts with us
[14:04:08] <annma> yes but it was meant to be extended to all kde sites
[14:04:21] <frauke> annma: the last message at the thread is the important one
[14:04:24] <annma> that was the point of Chris doing it
[14:04:33] <frauke> I know, and I would like to see that working
[14:04:36] <annma> let me read it again
[14:05:42]  merrykju is leaving. I think I'll read the log later on (too tired)
[14:06:12]  merrykju waves
[14:06:36] <annma> bye!!!
[14:06:42] <Tuxy> bye merrykju
[14:06:51] <annma> frauke: it seems quite complicated...
[14:06:58]  annma is not a script person
[14:07:16] <merrykju> :)
[14:08:29] <frauke> annma: it is complicated. the first script espescially. but there must be a way to do it (not automatically though). But I think we could creata a po file by using gettext manually
[14:08:38] <frauke> merrykju: *wink*
[14:09:35] <frauke> annma: but I don't know how yet. I would like to talk to the www guys about it
[14:09:56] <annma> yes
[14:10:03] <annma> (it's your turn to try)
[14:10:05] <annma> ;)
[14:10:50] <frauke> I won't post their mailinglist ;-)
[14:11:03] <annma> lol
[14:11:18] <frauke> We maybe need a women who knows something about shell scripts though
[14:11:31] <annma> yes -> pointing to merrykju
[14:12:27] <frauke> annma: yepp...good idea
[14:12:45] <Tuxy> so you are thinking of doing it without chris?
[14:13:06] <frauke> Tuxy: no, but I am thinking about finding a solution
[14:13:08] <annma> Tuxy: maybe he
[14:13:19] <annma> 'll get into gear when he sees that
[14:13:26] <frauke> because he told me he write the script before I started to study, 6 months ago
[14:13:40] <Tuxy> yes
[14:13:46] <annma> Tuxy: we already asked and asked Chris
[14:14:16] <Tuxy> annma: I know and I don't know how he can stand that any longer not doing it
[14:14:22] <frauke> I would like to work with him, but if he wrotes something to the www ml like " I'll try when I'm not drunk", I can't take that seriously
[14:15:04] <annma> yes, that's just being childish and irresponsible
[14:15:20] <frauke> anyway, I have to leave to get the bus. I'm back in an hour,hopefully. But if you are gone, please send a complete log to the ml. Annma would you do that?
[14:15:37] <annma> ok
[14:15:54] <annma> see you later
[14:15:55] <Tuxy> frauke: ok, and don't forget to say hello to sven from me :)
[14:16:02] <frauke> I'll try to hurry, but when I don't make it, we can discuss on the ml
[14:16:09] <frauke> Tuxy: I won't
[14:16:12] <frauke> cya all
[14:16:18] <annma> :) bye
[14:16:21] <Tuxy> bye frauke
[14:16:26] <Lisi> bye
[14:16:28] <frauke> bye
[14:16:33]  Signoff: frauke ()
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[14:28:34] <One> Lisi(ane)??????????
[14:28:42] <annma> yes
[14:28:51] <annma> isn't she popular?
[14:29:17] <One> annma: She works in Conectiva
[14:29:24] <annma> :) yes
[14:29:25] <One> annma: Curitiba - Brazil
[14:29:33] <One> annma: I live in Brazil
[14:29:36] <annma> and she translates
[14:29:37] <One> :-)
[14:29:42] <annma> ) nice
[14:29:43] <Tuxy> hi One :)
[14:29:47]  One knows Lisi :-)
[14:29:54] <One> Tuxy: Hi Girl
[14:29:57] <annma> you met her?
[14:30:16] <One> annma: only e-mail :-(
[14:30:18] <Lisi> anma: "popular"? ....
[14:30:30] <annma> Lisi: well known
[14:30:51] <annma> popular is maybe not right in en, was translated from fr in my mind ;)
[14:30:59] <One> Lisi: Conheco você da lista das LinuxChix-br
[14:31:00] <Lisi> annma: ;)   - I'd like to contribute more ....
[14:31:26] <annma> you already do a lot
[14:31:35] <annma> translating is hard work
[14:31:43] <Lisi> One: Sulamita, Fernanda ... ?
[14:32:08] <One> Lisi: Sim e conheço elas também, inclusive já assisti a palestra delas
[14:32:27] <Lisi> anma: but I'd like to practice other skills too ... my programming skill is not so bad, but I have no time ...
[14:32:33]  One is speaking in Portuguese with Lisi :-)
[14:33:03] <Lisi> One: and  ... who are you? Are you new in the maillist?
[14:33:08] <Tuxy> One: I see - but the happy birthday thing was easier to understand :)
[14:33:32] <One> Lisi: No
[14:33:43] <One> Lisi: My name is ....................... :-)
[14:33:57] <annma> Lisi: (he is a guy) </whispering>
[14:34:04] <One> Tuxy: Cool
[14:34:27] <One> Tuxy: Are you learning Portuguese?????
[14:34:36] <Tuxy> One: no
[14:35:13] <One> Tuxy: Você entende o que eu estou dizendo?????
[14:35:45] <Lisi> so ... we've decided something about translation site?
[14:35:49] <Tuxy> One: sorry, I don't know - that's not as similar to french
[14:35:58] <annma> Lisi: not really
[14:36:01] <One> Tuxy: Você entende o que eu estou dizendo????? = Do you understand what I'm speaking
[14:36:07] <One> Tuxy: :-)
[14:36:12] <Tuxy> One: :)
[14:36:12] <annma> Lisi: we would need to know if someone is up to ake a script
[14:36:20] <annma> make a script
[14:36:39] <annma> I am totally unskilled in that
[14:38:10] <Lisi> What the script exactly have to do? Just extract i18n() entries and make pot files, or I missed something?
[14:40:17]  Signoff: One ("WebChat -> www.vIRCio.org")
[14:44:38] <annma> I think it's that
[14:45:04] <annma> and how do we link all the translations
[14:45:10] <annma> to the main website
[14:53:31] <Lisi> Hummm ... I don't know, but I can look for something
[14:54:03] <annma> :) that would be good
[14:54:23] <Lisi> I have to go know - next week I post something in the list, ok?
[14:54:25] <Lisi> Bye all!
[14:54:30] <annma> :) thanks
[14:54:32] <annma> bye!
[14:54:33]  Signoff: Lisi (Remote closed the connection)