Re: Here is my Centipede scepticism

Mats Henricson wrote:

> Nick Chalko wrote:
>
>>
>> Standard practice is to name you test *Test   the junit examples show 
>> running test that match that pattern.
>> That is what our cent does.
>
>
> Exactly what I expected, and not what I need. I run them
> in a specific order, because some of them have annoying
> output that I want see last. Also, it is common to turn
> off some tests, so **/*Test.java does not work for me.
>
>> Maybe it fits your needs, maybe not.  Perhaps i can be tweeked to get 
>> what you want, maybe not.
>
>
> Of course it can be tweaked, but the result would be
> something that is more complex than the original. Here
> is my current JUnit task:
>
>   <target name="test" depends="compile"
>           description="Runs UPL JUnit tests">
>     <junit fork="yes" printsummary="off" newenvironment="true">
>       <classpath refid="compile.classpath"/>
>       <formatter type="brief" usefile="false"/>
>       <test name="info.codeq.upl.test.TranslatorTest"/>
>       <test name="info.codeq.upl.test.SerializationTest"/>
>       <test name="info.codeq.upl.test.RegionTest"/>
>       <test name="info.codeq.upl.test.JaxmTest"/>
>       <test name="info.codeq.upl.test.PrefsTest"/>
>       <test name="info.codeq.upl.test.UtilTest"/>
>       <test name="info.codeq.upl.test.WebTest"/>
>       <test name="info.codeq.upl.test.LoadWebTest"/>
>       <test name="info.codeq.upl.test.HibernateTest"/>
>     </junit>
>   </target>
>
> Complex? Not at all! Specific to me? Indeed. Can be made
> into a cent? No way.


it seems you have prticular needs,  if the best way for you share ant 
targets between projects is cut-and-paste, then centipede won't help you.

>
>> But believe me I am happy I have not written a ant task for junit in 
>> 12 months, on the 9 different projects I am involved in.  5 for pay 
>> and 4 for free.  Junit.cent does most of what I need.  If I need more 
>> I add it to the cent and let everyone benifit.
>
>
> Can't see the problem, again. The JUnit task is so simple! 

It always is at first. so I cut and paste that <include name="*Test"/> 
patern into all of my projects,  ooops I forgot <exclude name="All*Test"/>.
Now I need to modify all of myprojects, but I don't.  Some are updated  
some are not, they all start to diverge.  It was a PAIN, do I looked for 
a solution beyond xml entities to share ant targets. 


>
>
>>> Autodownload of jars sounds scary to me, but I'm sure it
>>> solves real problems in real environments. 
>>
>>
>> It is scarry at first.  But so is making sure every developer on your 
>> team is using the "right" version of xalan, with the "right" version 
>> of X on each of the projects you work on.  Ruper (autodownload of 
>> dependent jars) really helps.
>
>
> Hm... but isn't that what you use a repository for?
> You put the Jars in CVS, as a binary file, and someone
> updates the Jar files after that person has tested that
> the new version works well with the current code.

I hate putting jars in CVS,  it is a waste.  We do it but we hate it.  
Ruper allows you to download and keep copies of all needed jars in 
${jars.dir}
Other people like using CVS for jars.

>
> In which way is the problem of having correct versions
> of Jar files different from the problem of having correct
> versions of normal source files?
>
>>> So, does this mean that Centipede is mostly useful in
>>> really complex environments, but overkill for smaller
>>> projects? 
>>
>>
>>
>> Simple project can also benifit.  Expecially if our "template" is 
>> close to there needs. Take a look at the 
>> http://www.krysalis.org/templates/krysalis-project/
>
>
> Mmmm... cool.
>
>> defined here  
>> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/krysalis/krysalis-template/krysalis-project/ 
>
>
>
> Is that directory structure, with these XML files,
> available as a zip-file anywhere?

Yes  try cent-seed.

>
> Mats
>
>
>
>
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