Re: [stack] Re: Joy noob checking in!

On Mon, 10 May 2010, William Tanksley, Jr wrote:

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> > I must admit that Joy _did_ appeal to me the first time I saw it. How
> > well I could do with it may never be known. What do you think of
> > Factor?
>
> I like it a lot -- it's a clever language, probably the most complete
> application-oriented concatenative language (certainly the most
> complete outside of the proprietary Forth vendors). I usually
> recommend trying it first; Joy is a fun language, but is rather
> academically oriented and not really actively maintained.

I guess I'll be Factoring out Joy as of right now! ;)

> >> By the way, if you HAD been interested in bare metal, I'd have
> >> suggested learning colorForth and reimplementing it from scratch. Heh.
> > Why re-implement from scratch?
>
> Because it's the only way to really understand the bare metal -- and
> the only way to get a language ideal for manipulating YOUR machine.

I see! Re-implementing it in C? or Assembly Language?

> > and why colorForth?
>
> Because it's the simplest dialect of Forth, based on years of Chuck
> Moore's experience and centered around the idea of bare metal. (It has
> to be said, though, that Chuck's idea of working with bare metal
> involved writing Color Forth for the Pentium, writing a chip designer
> program on it, designing a whole new chip, rewriting for that chip,
> and designing the successor to that chip on the newly fabbed chip
> itself. I'm not up to that, and I doubt anyone aside from Chuck is.)

Simple is Good! Simplest is even better! ;) I wonder why there's no
mention of it on c.l.f.? I know that Fox and Passinitti (sp?) don't
hit it off.

> There's a good implementation with examples here:
> http://rainbowforth.sourceforge.net/; its own full source code is at
> http://rainbowforth.sourceforge.net/blocks.html and might be worth a
> quick skim. Chuck's code is public domain as well, but... Well, it's
> like expecting to read Knuth in one sitting.

I'll have a look.
-- 
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