Re: [stack] Introducing the Om language

"William Tanksley, Jr" <[email protected]> Sat, 5 Jan 2013 09:05:45 -0800
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Jason Erb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Concatenativists,
> I've developed a unique concatenative language that I would like to share:
> http://om-language.org

It looks cool and fun, and I'd like to see examples for something more
than swap and copy.

Until I see more, I'll say that it looks like a language in Backus' FP
/ FL tradition (APL, Rebol, J, K), although true to your goals it
looks like you've done some nice simplification. It might be
concatenative, I don't know.

> This led to concatenative languages, but Om has taken a few left turns where other concatenative languages have gone right:

That seems like an appropriate way to describe it :-).

> - An Om program has only three syntactic elements: operator, operand, and separator.

It took me a long time to figure out your syntax... The graph makes
the least elementary part of the language (the escape codes) look like
the primary, and hides everything else. Do those escape codes do
anything?

Aside from that: I see that a valid program will begin with a dequoted
symbol, and everything else will be quoted. That means that
concatenating two valid programs does NOT produce a syntactically
valid program, and thus the language is not concatenative. But I'm
still confused by the syntax, so maybe I'm wrong.

> - Om uses prefix syntax rather than postfix.

An elegant left-turn.

> - The only data type exposed by the language is a program.

Ah, I do that in my useless language. But like Jot and Iota and unlike
Om, my language is useless.

> - Each function takes as input the rest of the program that it is in.

What is a "function"? I mean that question linguistically -- you
haven't mentioned the term before. Is a "function" denoted by an
"operator"? You also haven't explained "input"; I assume that the
"input" is what you call the "operand". That's definitely arguably
"the rest of the program", since a "program" has only three elements
and the other two are very simple; but it's definitely at that point a
VERY hard-line applicative language.

Yes, I confirm that I'm confused to the point of being useless.

> Jason Erb

-Wm

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      <p>Jason Erb <a href="mailto:the.sparist%40yahoo.com">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Dear Concatenativists,<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve developed a unique concatenative language that I would like to share:<br>
&gt; <a href="http://om-language.org">http://om-language.org</a><br>
<br>
It looks cool and fun, and I&#39;d like to see examples for something more<br>
than swap and copy.<br>
<br>
Until I see more, I&#39;ll say that it looks like a language in Backus&#39; FP<br>
/ FL tradition (APL, Rebol, J, K), although true to your goals it<br>
looks like you&#39;ve done some nice simplification. It might be<br>
concatenative, I don&#39;t know.<br>
<br>
&gt; This led to concatenative languages, but Om has taken a few left turns where other concatenative languages have gone right:<br>
<br>
That seems like an appropriate way to describe it :-).<br>
<br>
&gt; - An Om program has only three syntactic elements: operator, operand, and separator.<br>
<br>
It took me a long time to figure out your syntax... The graph makes<br>
the least elementary part of the language (the escape codes) look like<br>
the primary, and hides everything else. Do those escape codes do<br>
anything?<br>
<br>
Aside from that: I see that a valid program will begin with a dequoted<br>
symbol, and everything else will be quoted. That means that<br>
concatenating two valid programs does NOT produce a syntactically<br>
valid program, and thus the language is not concatenative. But I&#39;m<br>
still confused by the syntax, so maybe I&#39;m wrong.<br>
<br>
&gt; - Om uses prefix syntax rather than postfix.<br>
<br>
An elegant left-turn.<br>
<br>
&gt; - The only data type exposed by the language is a program.<br>
<br>
Ah, I do that in my useless language. But like Jot and Iota and unlike<br>
Om, my language is useless.<br>
<br>
&gt; - Each function takes as input the rest of the program that it is in.<br>
<br>
What is a &quot;function&quot;? I mean that question linguistically -- you<br>
haven&#39;t mentioned the term before. Is a &quot;function&quot; denoted by an<br>
&quot;operator&quot;? You also haven&#39;t explained &quot;input&quot;; I assume that the<br>
&quot;input&quot; is what you call the &quot;operand&quot;. That&#39;s definitely arguably<br>
&quot;the rest of the program&quot;, since a &quot;program&quot; has only three elements<br>
and the other two are very simple; but it&#39;s definitely at that point a<br>
VERY hard-line applicative language.<br>
<br>
Yes, I confirm that I&#39;m confused to the point of being useless.<br>
<br>
&gt; Jason Erb<br>
<br>
-Wm<br>
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