Re: Dylan Programming Guide, website updated

That'd be a fun comment for you to leave (in some form) on HN :)

 - Bruce


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:42 PM, mikel evins <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Bruce Mitchener wrote:
>
> > Around the net:
> >
> > * http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5091549
> > *
> https://lobste.rs/s/s3ixfb/dylan_programming_guide_1996_now_available_in_pdf_epub_updated_html
> > *
> http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/16zcoa/dylan_programming_guide_1996_now_in_pdf_epub/
> > *
> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/16zcwj/dylan_programming_guide_1996_now_in_pdf_epub/
> >
> > The last one actually has a couple of comments.
>
> A minor correction: I did eventually move to the C++ Newton, albeit
> briefly.
>
> The sequence of events (if I can remember them all correctly) was:
>
> - John Sculley takes a trip to Japan with marketing dude Michael Tchao
>
> - Sculley returns from Japan having been persuaded by Tchao that everybody
> hates Dylan because it sucks, and orders Larry Tesler to switch development
> to C++.
>
> - A glum Larry announces the change. Cheering is heard from the general
> vicinity of Steve Capps.
>
> - Larry approaches Matthew Maclaurin, Jim Grandy, and me, and says he neds
> a "crack team" of Lisp hackers to see what can be done with Dylan before
> it's too late for it to have any role in Newton.
>
> - Matthew and I pull a Stallman, working 100 hours a week for 18 months to
> reproduce in Dylan the efforts of 60 programmers working in C++. We manage
> to pull off somehting like 60% of it, plus, with the help of Yuying Chow
> and eventually Ken Dickey, we add a few nice features not in the C++
> version.
>
> - Larry, suffering exhaustion and burnout from two years of uphill
> battles, bails out of Newton (just as Steve Sakoman--Newton's creator--did
> before him). Without our main executive defender, bauhaus' days are
> numbered.
>
> - Newton management holds an official review of bauhaus. The verdict: we
> met and exceeded every goal we were given, but Apple's paying 60 people to
> write a C++ version that Sculley commanded, and is paying the four of us to
> write a Dylan version that no longer had any champion in upper management.
> Apple was only going to ship one of them; guess which one?
>
> - I get assigned to write the German version of the Newton UI, which I
> dutifully do for about four months before leaving to work at NeXT for a
> while.
>
> It was the following year that I returned to Apple to work on SK8, just
> after Ruben bailed out under pretty much the same kind of circumstances in
> which Larry and Sakoman did.
>
> Shortly after that, Sculley got 86ed by the board and replaced by Michael
> Spindler, who somehow managed to accelerate Apple's downward spiral even
> more.  Soon after that, the board gave Spindler the boot and hired
> "turnaround artist" Gil Amelio to try to save the company's bacon, which he
> did, although not in the way he planned: he ended up negotiating to
> purchase NeXT and bring Steve Jobs in to serve on Apple's board. Steve
> Wozniak summarized what happened next as, "Gil Amelio meets Steve Jobs:
> game over."
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