Re: Overcoming the "Dylan is Dead" belief?

I would say the best bang for your buck would be in a moral equivalent of Rails.

I know, easy to say, but Ruby was fairly obscure before Rails came along.

Anything that tries to be a UI tool needs to do at least one handheld platform. Desktop is almost secondary these days, but if you did Android, Mac, Windows and iOS you would be in with a shot.

I'm betting we aren't close to being able to do handheld, in which case your best bet is with server-side, which is to say web development. If you had something really compelling there — say you gave me a single framework that wrapped up the likes of Apache with the application code, you might be in with a shot. Perhaps if you got a desktop UI for the server really easily at the same time.

But I think the current Dylan is stuck with too small a feature footprint to really compete in any of these spaces. A really cool web serving platform would be the best bet, but it's not a great one.

Now, if Dylan could compile for JVM or using LLVM, so I could use another platform's libraries, that might be a different story…

I've lurked for years. I love the design of the language and I only wish I could use it for real work. But I'm not seeing a short path from here to there, sorry to say.

On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:35 , Bruce Mitchener <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Repeatedly, I have run into people who thought Dylan was long gone and dead.  People often think it was an Apple-only project and that when Apple killed Apple Dylan, it was the fatal blow and that there wasn't anything available.
> 
> This has been a common refrain in conversations, when we do a release ("Wow, I didn't know Dylan was still around."), and when others bring it up.
> 
> It has been suggested a number of times that we should consider renaming things to divorce ourselves from the past and allow people to get to know us under a new identity.  That'd be a lot of work though and would have issues with things like the DRM and DPG which we can't go and rename.  I also think that having the history is valuable at times in and of itself. Dylan had grand origins and it needn't shy away from them, perhaps.
> 
> What can we do? What should we do?
> 
>  - Bruce
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