Re: e-lang Digest, Vol 60, Issue 8
Mike Samuel <[email protected]>
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Re causway,
When I'm looking at a debugging framework, my first question is
usually, can I still use my debugger of last resort, printf (ok, first
resort)?
You seem to have a _.log() construct.
Is there any way to find an association between a log entry related to
a message in the source vat, and log entries related to a message in
the target vat?
I.e., if I'm investigating a message that originated in turn t1 in vat
a and was handled in turn t2 in vat b, is there a view that lets me
see log messages in t1 and t2 in sequence?
Also, if I do the following,
vat A logs L1
vat A sends message M1 to vat B
vat B handles message M1
vat B logs L2
...
vat A logs L3
vat A sends message M2 to vat B
vat B handles message M2
vat B logs L4
If I'm debugging a problem with the handling of M2 but have ruled out
handling of M! as a problem, I have two theories to consider
(1) something is wrong in vat A that caused it to send a bad M2 so I
need to look at the messages in A between L1 and L2
(2) something is wrong in vat B that caused it to mishandle M2, so I
need to look at the log messages in B between L3 and L4.
Is there a view that lets me find those intervening sequences of events?
Also, if I have a large system, I may have lose some log entries due
to bad disk sectors, lost disks, or chewed tape. If logs have holes
due to storage degradation, how does that affect debugging?
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> 1. Draft "Causeway: A message-oriented distributed debugger" --
> please comment (Terry Stanley)
> 2. Re: Draft "Causeway: A message-oriented distributed debugger"
> -- please comment (Toby Murray)
> 3. Re: Draft "Causeway: A message-oriented distributed debugger"
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> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:24:20 -0800
> From: Terry Stanley <[email protected]>
> Subject: [e-lang] Draft "Causeway: A message-oriented distributed
> debugger" -- please comment
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> Tyler Close, Mark Miller, and I are writing a paper on Causeway. Our
> current draft is at
> <http://erights.org/elang/tools/causeway/cw-paper09.pdf>. We would
> love to get your feedback on this paper. Of the conferences we are
> currently considering -- PDPTA, DEBS, OOPSLA (see below) -- the first
> deadlines are early next week, so we would appreciate receiving your
> comments by Monday night (2/23).
>
> The paper is not content complete. The sections on event abstraction,
> related work, and future work have not been written. Suggestions for
> related work would be appreciated.
>
>
> The conferences we are currently considering are:
>
> International Conference on Parallel and Distributed Processing
> Techniques and Applications (PDPTA)
> http://www.world-academy-of-science.org/worldcomp09/ws/conferences/pdpta09
> Submit deadline: 2/25, 7 page limit
>
> ACM International Conference on Distributed Event-Based Systems (DEBS)
> http://debs09.isis.vanderbilt.edu/
> Submit deadline: 3/2, 12 page limit
>
> OOPSLA:
> http://www.oopsla.org/oopsla2009/
> Submit deadline: 3/23, 18 page limit
>
> If you know of any other conferences we should consider whose
> deadlines have not yet passed, please let us know. Thanks!
>
> --
> --Terry Stanley
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:05:10 +0000
> From: Toby Murray <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [e-lang] Draft "Causeway: A message-oriented distributed
> debugger" -- please comment
> To: Discussion of E and other capability languages
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> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 21:24 -0800, Terry Stanley wrote:
>> Tyler Close, Mark Miller, and I are writing a paper on Causeway. Our
>> current draft is at
>> <http://erights.org/elang/tools/causeway/cw-paper09.pdf>.
>
> Awesome. Look forward to reading it.
>
> On related and future work, a few things spring to mind:
>
> 1. ProBE
>
> Formal System's (Europe), Limited's ProBE tool for exploring CSP models.
> See http://www.fsel.com/probe_download.html which includes downloads and
> documentation etc.
>
> Quoting from a synopsis about ProBE:
> "ProBE is another offering from Formal Systems. In contrast to FDR's
> automatic checking of properties, ProBE addresses the equally important
> need of the user to gain understanding of a system by interacting with
> it." ... "The user controls the resolution of non-determinism and the
> choice of actions, watching the process evolve in response. Component
> processes can be selected, and their contribution to the larger system
> examined."
>
> ProBE differs from Causeway in that it's not a debugger, but it does
> feature a similar treeview-based UI that allows one to do a "follow the
> message" view of a system (more precisely a "follow the events" view,
> but events usually model messages). ProBE has been around for quite a
> while. It was publicly released in 1997, see
> http://phase.hpcc.jp/phase/swopp-announce/archives/msg00437.html .
>
>
> 2. The work of Alex Groce
>
> Causeway is focused on helping a programmer understand the "cause" of a
> bug, right? It does so by allowing them to examine the trace of events
> the led to the bug, presenting the information in such a way to allow
> the programmer to more naturally understand what caused the failure.
> This process is "manual" in the sense that the programmer must discern
> for him/herself what the cause is, using the information that causeway
> presents. There has been a bit of work on automating sort of thing,
> namely in the automatic analysis of
> sequences-of-events-leading-to-failures to determine which events
> "caused" the failure in question. A notable example is the PhD thesis of
> Alex Groce, see http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce/ . He defines a formal
> definition of causation and then applies this to
> sequences-of-events-leading-to-failures (in the form of
> counter-examples, generated by some model checker that has found a
> sequence-of-events after which some correctness condition is violated)
> to determine the events that caused the failure.
>
> Adding these sorts of capabilities to causeway would be an ideal thing
> to mention for future work IMO.
>
> Cheers
>
> Toby
>
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> From: David-Sarah Hopwood <david.hopwood-mRVxzIiVagSlV3Ge8JjJtnfLna9zW77MtUK59QYPAWc@public.gmane.org>
> Subject: Re: [e-lang] Draft "Causeway: A message-oriented distributed
> debugger"
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> Toby Murray wrote:
>> 2. The work of Alex Groce
>>
>> Causeway is focused on helping a programmer understand the "cause" of a
>> bug, right? It does so by allowing them to examine the trace of events
>> the led to the bug, presenting the information in such a way to allow
>> the programmer to more naturally understand what caused the failure.
>> This process is "manual" in the sense that the programmer must discern
>> for him/herself what the cause is, using the information that causeway
>> presents. There has been a bit of work on automating sort of thing,
>> namely in the automatic analysis of
>> sequences-of-events-leading-to-failures to determine which events
>> "caused" the failure in question. A notable example is the PhD thesis of
>> Alex Groce, see http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce/ . He defines a formal
>> definition of causation
>
> Yes, the same counterfactual-based definition by David Lewis that is used
> in your work on authority analysis for CSP, I notice.
>
> Since a subject is defined to have authority to perform an action
> iff it can cause that action, there is a formalisation of authority
> corresponding to any given formalisation of causality. So we should be
> able to look for instances of excess authority using the same techniques
> that are needed to explain bugs, I think.
>
> --
> David-Sarah Hopwood ?
>
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