Re: [friam] Oracle trying to pollute the name "object capabilities"?

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[resending Randy's message so it gets to the same lists as the original.
Further discussion should take place on cap-talk]


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Randall Smith <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Mark =E2=80=94
>
> I understand your frustration here, sorry I don=E2=80=99t know to whom to=
 address
> your concern =E2=80=A6
>
> ...but=E2=80=A6
>
> Aren=E2=80=99t you equally upset by the use of the term =E2=80=9Cobject=
=E2=80=9D in this document,
> denoting a chunk of memory that is not even encapsulated? I gently sugges=
t
> that the term =E2=80=9Ccapability" is rather in the same situation as =E2=
=80=9Cobject.=E2=80=9D
> Namely, it=E2=80=99s too routine, it=E2=80=99s too everyday =E2=80=A6 it=
=E2=80=99s expecting too much for
> the word to acquire a universally-respected meaning more subtly crafted
> than it has in it=E2=80=99s foggy everyday use. Even within a sub-domain =
as broad
> as computational systems.
>
> With enough work, I could try to get you in touch with someone in the
> right part of the Oracle org chart, but in order to have the most
> constructive impact in the world, we need to select our battles wisely. I=
n
> other words, let=E2=80=99s not waste our time when we know we=E2=80=99ll =
just get the cold,
> fishy-eyed stare.
>
> FWIW, in my opinion, you=E2=80=99re under no threat of concept dilution. =
Anyone
> learning about capability systems will immediately appreciate the
> expressive power and elegance they offer, and, as with =E2=80=9Cobject,=
=E2=80=9D come to
> live their now-enlightened life without confusion when encountering some
> document that wants to use the word in a different way. (An Oracle docume=
nt
> no less! Come on! I mean=E2=80=A6 an Oracle document!)
>
>    -- Randy
>
> On August 2, 2014 at 10:57:42 AM, Mark S. Miller ([email protected])
> wrote:
>
>  [+...]
>
> DAMN!!!
>
> Who should we complain to in order to get this fixed?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mike Stay <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/819-0690/chapter7-28.html
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">[resending Randy&#39;s message so it gets to the same list=
s as the original. Further discussion should take place on cap-talk]</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 2,=
 2014 at 2:22 PM, Randall Smith <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ran=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);marg=
in:0px;line-height:auto">
Hi Mark =E2=80=94</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:=
13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margi=
n:0px;line-height:auto">
I understand your frustration here, sorry I don=E2=80=99t know to whom to a=
ddress your concern =E2=80=A6 =C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">=
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rg=
ba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
...but=E2=80=A6</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13=
px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin=
:0px;line-height:auto">
Aren=E2=80=99t you equally upset by the use of the term =E2=80=9Cobject=E2=
=80=9D in this document, denoting a chunk of memory that is not even encaps=
ulated? I gently suggest that the term =E2=80=9Ccapability&quot; is rather =
in the same situation as =E2=80=9Cobject.=E2=80=9D Namely, it=E2=80=99s too=
 routine, it=E2=80=99s too everyday =E2=80=A6 it=E2=80=99s expecting too mu=
ch for the word to acquire a universally-respected meaning more subtly craf=
ted than it has in it=E2=80=99s foggy everyday use. Even within a sub-domai=
n as broad as computational systems.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1=
.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
ica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"=
>
With enough work, I could try to get you in touch with someone in the right=
 part of the Oracle org chart, but in order to have the most constructive i=
mpact in the world, we need to select our battles wisely. In other words, l=
et=E2=80=99s not waste our time when we know we=E2=80=99ll just get the col=
d, fishy-eyed stare.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1=
.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
ica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"=
>
FWIW, in my opinion, you=E2=80=99re under no threat of concept dilution. An=
yone learning about capability systems will immediately appreciate the expr=
essive power and elegance they offer, and, as with =E2=80=9Cobject,=E2=80=
=9D come to live their now-enlightened life without confusion when encounte=
ring some document that wants to use the word in a different way. (An Oracl=
e document no less! Come on! I mean=E2=80=A6 an Oracle document!) =C2=A0</d=
iv>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1=
.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div> <div><div style=3D"font-family:=
helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">=C2=A0 =C2=A0-- Randy</div></div><div><div =
class=3D"h5">
 <br><p style=3D"color:#000">On August 2, 2014 at 10:57:42 AM, Mark S. Mill=
er (<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">erights@google.=
com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span><div><div></div><div>






<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>[+...]</div>
<div><br></div>
DAMN!!!
<div><br></div>
<div>Who should we complain to in order to get this fixed?</div>
<div><br></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mike Stay
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<a href=3D"http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/819-0690/chapter7-28.ht=
ml" target=3D"_blank">http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/819-0690/cha=
pter7-28.html</a><br>

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.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~mike</a><br>
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