Re: Erlang forums (was Re: PING TEST)

This obsession with elixir is a bit strange. It was developed ten years ago to appeal to Ruby programmers and is already looking old-fashioned. No doubt there are interesting elixir projects but for a good while now language innovation on the BEAM has predominantly been statically typed.

Side issue perhaps but has been brought up several times in this thread.

Ivan

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> On 18 Dec 2021, at 09:48, Daniel Widgren <[email protected]> wrote:
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>  I think the mailing list has had its role in the community, but I can't see any discussion in this list that we can't have in a forum. More than people will not be there because they don't like Forums. My feeling is that we lose more new developers or companies because we have a mailing list.
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> When companies look around to see if they should use Erlang or Elixir, Elixir will win. The reasons are straightforward, and they can see a community, have a better discussion and adopt new approaches.
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> This list has had some good runs, but for me, Forums and Slack community have been so much better than this list or IRC. I am not saying they are perfect, and we maybe change to something else in a couple of years.
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> This Forum is ten years late, and we should have unified somewhere long ago. If things aren't changing, Erlang will be a building block for Elixir, and it will be even harder to convince companies why they should use Erlang.
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> Den lör 18 dec. 2021 kl 10:21 skrev Eric Pailleau <[email protected]>:
>> Thanks Yao,
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>> I couldn't tell better my feelings on this.
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>> I'm not against the forum, I did a try, but my feelings is that both are not the same goal.
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>> We need to keep mailing for some subjects to be discussed with OTP team. And also announcements.
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>> Forum is helpful for helping new comers, creating groups around some applications etc.
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>> Regards
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>> Envoyé depuis mon mobile
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>> 
>> ---- Yao Bao a écrit ----
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>> Hello,
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>> Erlang bring us together as a community, we don't share data
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>> between processes, but we do share love from Erlang.
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>> It is not common for programmers say "love" to a programming
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>> language. Erlang programmers might not use Erlang in daily job,
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>> but we are willing to put some of our life and energy into this.
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>> Personally, mainly because of the uncommon beauty of it.
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>> Yes, we are still marginal. And this might be the root cause of
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>> this movement. I can understand it, but why can't we have both?
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>> Yes, resources are always limited, and we can't split energy into
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>> two things equally, this is understandable. But having both, or,
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>> in a foreseeable future, we might discover some better methods
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>> to organize our community, then we can say this is the true "rich"
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>> community. New generations are good and unavoidable, but I
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>> hope we can keep the old generations as much as we can.
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>> Every once in a while, some shiny things appears, and we are
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>> not against shiny things, they are good, if it is good enough to
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>> replace the old one entirely, nobody will miss it. We just need
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>> sometime to prove it.
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>> We can deprecate language features, but I hope we do not
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>> deprecate people. Shiny tools can attract young generations,
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>> I don't know the story or history about Elixir forums, but I would
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>> say the biggest difference would be the origin of these two
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>> languages. Of course it is good to have a try, after receiving the
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>> new Erlang forums announcement, I give it a try almost
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>> immediately, and personally prefer this mailing list for now.
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>> Although as we see, this mailing list is not very "active", but we
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>> really care about it. And this might be why some "sad" emotion
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>> comes along. If we don't care about it, we would not say any word
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>> about it.
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>> I really hope this mailing list is still alive. Maybe one reason would
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>> be good enough to keep it: old generations are still alive.
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>> Thanks,
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>> Yao
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