Re: Where do you find a community?

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Den søn. 26. maj 2024 kl. 14.13 skrev James McMahon <[email protected]>:

> I can tell you from firsthand experience that this Groovy community has
> always responded very quickly to questions. I am only a modest level
> programmer - a C- at best - and the members here have never looked down on
> any question, and have helped me solve some very challenging ones. I have a
> lot of respect for the people at groovy.apache.org and nifi.apache.org
> who have helped me through the years. Any time I've faced a configuration
> impediment or a coding challenge, they've been there.
>
> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 8:01 AM OCsite <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Martin,
>>
>> I'd say the community is right here. Whenever I needed a help and neither
>> the (excellent, in my opinion) documentation nor sites like Groovy Goodness
>> (mrhaki, definitely worth checking whenever in doubt) helped, I've asked
>> here, and almost always I've got helpful and very knowledgeable answers.
>>
>> I would hate it if I had to use something with a terrible GUI like the
>> Discord thing instead of a convenient, practical and nice maillist. Besides
>> a maillist is conceptually worlds better than any kind of IRC for these
>> things, for it sort of endorses thinking through before sending; both your
>> questions and the answers tend to be well formulated, while IRCs endorse
>> the very opposite. Even if there was an |RC with a good GUI — so far, I
>> haven't seen one, but well, in theory such thing might exist — I'd still
>> strongly prefer a maillist.
>>
>> I suggest you try to ask those questions you need help with here and see
>> whether you find this list as excellent for learning Groovy and as helpful
>> as I did.
>>
>> All the best,
>> OC
>>
>> On 26. 5. 2024, at 4:13, Polgár Márton <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have been experimenting with the thought of learning an accessible,
>> reliable and concise scripting language and considered Groovy a worthy
>> candidate. To decide whether this is the case, I started doing these little
>> exercises online which usually spawns a lot of micro-questions that are
>> hard to answer from the docs, no matter that they look alright. This is
>> where we arrive at the elephant in the room with Groovy: the striking lack
>> of living, interactive, low-barrier communities.
>>
>> Groovy might not be a trendy language but it has plenty of visibility and
>> stakeholders compared to what I was used to with Raku. The big difference
>> is that Raku has a vivid IRC network, it has a Discord server, and in
>> addition it also has a blog, a subreddit, a legacy mailing list, a Mastodon
>> and so on.
>>
>> Obviously I'm not running around investigating the communities of all
>> sorts of niche languages but on Discord I've seen servers for languages
>> from Pascal and Prolog to Factor and Uiua. The older languages usually have
>> a dedicated IRC channel, some have both. There is also Zig with the
>> principle of a distributed community which is to my understanding mostly
>> about allowing and encouraging people to create spaces across various
>> platforms, with a loose set of rules.
>>
>> For Groovy, the only real-time platform would be the Slack - if Slack
>> being a hassle wasn't enough, it's hidden behind a kind of survey that
>> seems to serve some sort of gatekeeping. There is a semi-active subreddit
>> and this mailing list. Grails stuff operates under similar terms, except
>> half dead. It seems clear that this is not how you get people involved with
>> the language in 2024 - honestly, not even having good old IRC with a bunch
>> of available people really raises some questions.
>>
>> Where is the Groovy community? Is there even one? Who are the target
>> audience if there is one? Why is there no visible effort to make the
>> language more accessible to newcomers, some place they could go and
>> practice? Is it that the people running the business are running out of
>> motivation or is this Apache project somehow uninterested in extending the
>> user/contributor base, unlike most indie projects?
>>
>> I am really curious about an answer because for me these are questions
>> that determine both the practical feasibility to learn a language and the
>> overall state and potential of a community.
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Martin Burger
>>
>>
>>

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