Re: funding jython development

Good morning Jeff, Albert,

On 3/8/19 4:18 AM, Jeff Allen wrote:
> Hi Albert, thanks for your interest.
> 
> 1. I'm an active developer, and a few others, either submitting code 
> (https://hg.python.org/jython/) or answering on issues or the web site. 
> It is fair to say momentum is low, but 2.7.2b looks within reach and I'd 
> really like to get the fix you mention out there. (I was on the verge of 
> re-assessing our "blockers".) When that is out for evaluation, by good 
> folk like you, I intend to revivify Jython 3.

This is encouraging news.

> 2. We are a Python Software Foundation project and grateful for the 
> continuing support we get in terms of infrastructure. No money changes 
> hands AFAIK: I'm not sure we would know what to do with actual funding. 
> (The PSF might.) We are all volunteers: I am working entirely in my own 
> time. Contributors in the past sometimes had employer support/time. New 
> contributors would be a help, and we try to be supportive when someone 
> drops in.

I am a small businessman (industrial systems integrator) with active 
java coding projects in an environment that uses jython as its 
customization layer.  I've spent a considerable amount of time and 
effort learning parts of the jython source for integration purposes. 
I've been lurking on this list for some time, as a tool to help absorb 
the bigger jython picture.

You can count this "drop in" as a statement of interest in contributing.

> 3. I don't properly understand your question 3. (So simple answer "No 
> and er ... ".) I understand RPython to be a restricted dialect 
> underlying the PyPy implementation, but have not delved further. What do 
> you mean by "JVM backend" here? We make Java bytecode, but it depends on 
> the Jython runtime. I believe there was a compiler to Java source once, 
> but support stopped before I joined the project. I have a lot of 
> alternative ideas for the Jython 3 runtime (we can do much better), but 
> I also see value in continuity.

Heh.  Never noticed RPython. /:

> Jeff Allen
> 
> On 07/03/2019 14:39, Albert Cardona wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to see jython development moving forward, and I would
>> appreciate information on how to assist the existing jython developers
>> to do so.
>>
>> First towards completing the 2.7.2 release towards out of alpha (it
>> has a critical bug fix that I care a lot about:
>> https://bugs.jython.org/issue2487).
>>
>> Second towards entering python 3 with a stable release (I've only been
>> able to findhttps://github.com/jython/jython3  which is labels itself
>> as an early alpha stage).
>>
>> Question 1: are any developers active presently?
>>
>> Question 2: where do you get your funding from, and would you commit
>> to reach the above two milestones provided more funding was available,
>> or should I aim at recruiting new developers?
>>
>> Question 3: rpython (from pypy) used to have a jvm backend in its git
>> tree. I assume jython developers have considered pursuing that route,
>> and if not, why not?
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Albert Cardona

Regards,

Phil Turmel
Fayetteville, GA, USA