Re: Anyone interested in helping on a Minecraft plugin project?

I'd be more than happy to help as well. Python and Minecraft should go hand
in hand.

Darjus

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:50 AM Jim Baker <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have no problem holding hands here :) Sometimes I'm limited by time, but
> such annotation support is now a work priority for me.
>
> Given that Minecraft Jython support should be a very good demonstration of
> what Clamp can do, and what we need to work on, I'm especially eager for
> any and all guinea pigs. Let's do it!
>
> - Jim
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Paul Everitt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sorry about taking it off-list, was trying to be considerate to others
>> here, as I was coming hat-in-hand.
>>
>> You and I have talked before about Clamp as a build solution. I’m all for
>> being a guinea pig on Clamp, annotations, etc. but I worry that my huge
>> deficit on Java/Jython building will result in my outsourcing our building
>> to you. :)
>>
>> But if you’re up for hand-holding, I’ll gladly provide the hands.
>>
>> —Paul
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Jim Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I don't think this needs to be in a private email - threads work well
>> enough :), and this list is very low traffic.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm back from vacation, and I should let you and Ben know that I
>> plan to work next on Clamp's support for Java annotations [1]. We need this
>> for a project using Spring annotations; that it supports Minecraft sounds
>> like a very nice bonus to me. I'm sure others will find this very
>> beneficial as well in their Jython usage.
>>
>> - Jim
>>
>> [1]: https://github.com/jythontools/clamp#supporting-java-annotations
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Paul Everitt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> To save everybody from a discussion about this on-list, I’ll reply to
>>> you in private.
>>>
>>> —Paul
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Ben Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Paul
>>>
>>> Recently I have also been investigating ways of creating minecraft
>>> plugins in python. I have came up with a prototype of building plugins on
>>> top of the Sponge API.
>>>
>>> I have put the code on github here https://github.com/skinny121/PySponge
>>>
>>> The major hurdles for creating a binding is that the different plugin
>>> apis all like to use annotations and they often use annotations statically
>>> to discovers plugins.
>>>
>>> The solution I came up with was to simply generate the main plugin java
>>> class via a setup script and link to the plugin python files from there.
>>>
>>> Ben Lewis
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 12:14 AM, Paul Everitt <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Stefan Eletzhofer <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Am [DATE] schrieb "Paul Everitt" <[ADDRESS]>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As has been discussed here a few times, Minecraft is a great place for
>>>> getting kids interested in programming. Python, via Jython, is a great
>>>> match for that, as the #1 teaching language.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it is!  Two children *love* Minecraft.  I guess they'd *love* to
>>>> teach MC some new tricks if
>>>> it would be approachable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It certainly has the potential to be quite approachable. Seppe’s
>>>> original blog post has a screencast showing how you can let people type in
>>>> Python code, from a browser:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.macuyiko.com/post/2015/rebuilding-our-jython-console-plugin-for-minecraft.html
>>>>
>>>> We have other material in a different place (GitHub organization with
>>>> some repos) but I don’t want to promote that name until it’s clear the
>>>> project will continue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seppe vanden Broucke got a Jython-based Minecraft plugin that lets you
>>>> run Python code that talks to the Minecraft server API, including a
>>>> websocket-based Web UI for typing in code that is sent over and executed.
>>>> It’s fascinating stuff. I’m pitching in to work on that frontend and some
>>>> other project stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a link somewhere?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But we need some help on the Java/Jython side if it is going to go
>>>> anywhere. Even 5 hours of help from someone that knows Java, Gradle/Maven,
>>>> and Jython would go a long way. I don’t know those things, and am unlikely
>>>> to learn it well enough in the time I have available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well -- I don't know about java (cough) but we do have experience in
>>>> Jython -- our company's software
>>>> bases on a Jython backend to a PLM System (Jython 2.7, Flask based) ...
>>>>
>>>> The problem is I have not the faintest idea how MC works.  Any concrete
>>>> issues / suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Minecraft servers support server-side extension via plugin systems.
>>>> There are 3 main plugin projects at the moment:
>>>>
>>>> - Canary (dead)
>>>> - Spigot (successor to Canary’s API)
>>>> - Sponge (more ambitious)
>>>>
>>>> Seppe’s code has support for Canary and Spigot. For the most part, it
>>>> works, but there are some things that could be done.
>>>>
>>>> What’s more needed, though, is basic Java/Jython stuff. We don’t have
>>>> an automated way to build it (e.g Gradle or Maven) which also means we
>>>> can’t really hook it up to a CI server. (For that matter, we don’t have any
>>>> tests.)
>>>>
>>>> At the point where we want to attract any outsiders, we need to pay
>>>> attention to some form of distribution. Our build is currently very large
>>>> and you have to do a few semi-error-prone manual steps to install.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, you have to run a web server manually to serve up the static
>>>> files for the web UI. Would be nice to have the Jython process do that,
>>>> just to eliminate some steps needed.
>>>>
>>>> Beyond that, the sky is the limit. A system where plugin people could
>>>> create, collaborate, and share little snippets is certainly feasible. And
>>>> once we get to the point where we can reach out to the Python community,
>>>> we’ll have plenty of help. But we’re stuck at the moment on Java janitorial
>>>> work. [wink]
>>>>
>>>> —Paul
>>>>
>>>>
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