Re: [Jython-dev] Java 7 or 8?

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AFAIK, the current Jython 2.7 master still compiles and runs with Java 7.
So why would we drop that support right now?
At least I think we shouldn't explicitly/on purpose destroy Java 7
compatibility e.g. by inserting a lambda or so somewhere.
Dropping Java 7 support just "one second" before 2.7.2 release looks rushed
to me. IMO the right moment to drop support
for something is right after a release not in the last moment before a
release. It's usually good practice to have a designated
last release to support something. For 2.7.2 it was decided some time ago
that it would be that last release to support Java 7
IIRC. I personally know a company where still Java 6 is floating around and
I suspect there are plenty. So the EOL argument
is more a virtual one. Anyway, I'm not fanatic for Java 7, it just appears
to be a low-hanging fruit to keep the compatibility just
on these last meters till the release. And all the named reasons sum up for
me to vote for Java 7 support in 2.7.2. At least,
let's make Java 7 support "on best effort", i.e. avoid to break it
explicitly, and Java 8 can be the official support. That's my view.

Best

Stefan

Am Sa., 27. Juli 2019 um 01:48 Uhr schrieb Jim Baker <[email protected]>:

> Previously we resolved this issue based on what version of Java is
> publicly and currently supported. Given Java 7 was end of lifed a few years
> ago, and these problems, it makes sense to require Java 8 (or 11, for
> similar reasons).
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 1:54 PM Jeff Allen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> When the project set out to create Jython 2.7.2, it was reasonable still
>> to support Java 7. Now we find ourselves on the verge of a 2.7.2 beta
>> release, Java 8 seems the logical minimum. We currently build and test
>> on Java 7 but some things would resolve themselves if we could move on.
>> We intend to support "before and after Jigsaw" JVMs (say 8 and 11).
>>
>> Straw poll: does anyone amongst our users have a good reason why Jython
>> 2.7.2 should run on Java 7?
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Allen
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>AFAIK, the current Jython 2.7 master still compiles a=
nd runs with Java 7. So why would we drop that support right now?</div><div=
>At least I think we shouldn&#39;t explicitly/on purpose destroy Java 7 com=
patibility e.g. by inserting a lambda or so somewhere.</div><div>Dropping J=
ava 7 support just &quot;one second&quot; before 2.7.2 release looks rushed=
 to me. IMO the right moment to drop support</div><div>for something is rig=
ht after a release not in the last moment before a release. It&#39;s usuall=
y good practice to have a designated</div><div>last release to support some=
thing. For 2.7.2 it was decided some time ago that it would be that last re=
lease to support Java 7</div><div>IIRC. I personally know a company where s=
till Java 6 is floating around and I suspect there are plenty. So the EOL a=
rgument</div><div>is more a virtual one. Anyway, I&#39;m not fanatic for Ja=
va 7, it just appears to be a low-hanging fruit to keep the compatibility j=
ust</div><div>on these last meters till the release. And all the named reas=
ons sum up for me to vote for Java 7 support in 2.7.2. At least,</div><div>=
let&#39;s make Java 7 support &quot;on best effort&quot;, i.e. avoid to bre=
ak it explicitly, and Java 8 can be the official support. That&#39;s my vie=
w.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Stefan<br></div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">A=
m Sa., 27. Juli 2019 um 01:48=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Jim Baker &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Previously we res=
olved this=C2=A0issue based on what version of Java is publicly and current=
ly supported. Given Java 7 was end of lifed a few years ago, and these prob=
lems, it makes sense to require Java 8 (or 11, for similar reasons).</div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri,=
 Jul 26, 2019, 1:54 PM Jeff Allen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">When the project se=
t out to create Jython 2.7.2, it was reasonable still <br>
to support Java 7. Now we find ourselves on the verge of a 2.7.2 beta <br>
release, Java 8 seems the logical minimum. We currently build and test <br>
on Java 7 but some things would resolve themselves if we could move on. <br=
>
We intend to support &quot;before and after Jigsaw&quot; JVMs (say 8 and 11=
).<br>
<br>
Straw poll: does anyone amongst our users have a good reason why Jython <br=
>
2.7.2 should run on Java 7?<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Jeff Allen<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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