This week's summary
Piers Cawley <[email protected]> Mon, 19 May 2003 14:38:54 +0100
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The Perl 6 Summary for the week ending 20030518
Welcome back to another Perl 6 summary, this week without any 'comic'
introductions.
So, without further ado we press straight on to the happenings in
perl6-internals.
Makefile issues
Bruce Gray sent in a patch to tweak Parrot's Makefile to ensure that
IMCC could be built before doing either "make test" or "make static".
The various executables in the Parrot distribution now link against
libparrot.a instead of just linking a bunch of .o files. Steve Fink
liked the idea, and made a few other suggestions (building IMCC by
default, having make test run the IMCC tests...). The patch was later
applied by Bruce after Steve Fink gave him committer superpowers.
<http://xrl.us/h6l>
Even more on stack walking
The discussion of garbage collection and timely destruction came up
again. Essentially, we want to have our cake and eat it too.
Here's some background. Consider the following piece of code:
sub iterate_over_file {
my($filename, $code) = @_;
open my $fh, '<', $filename or die;
&$code($_) for <$fh>;
}
Unless I'm going mad, this should be legal code in both Perl 5 and Perl
6. Now, consider what what happens when execution leaves the
"iterate_over_file" function. In Perl 5 the file handle in $fh has its
reference count decremented and, because there are no remaining
references, the file is closed and the filehandle is destroyed. In a
Perl 6 with no 'special case' garbage collection added, nothing happens.
$fh only gets closed when a Dead Object Detection (DOD) run is
triggered, which need not happen for a while, potentially leading to
resource leaks or locking issues or other unforseen consequences.
One way around this is for classes whose objects need timely destruction
to tell Perl that there are some of its objects floating about so that
Perl can trigger a DOD run at the end of every scope until there are no
more such objects floating around. But that could be expensive (as Luke
Palmer demonstrated with a neat piece of pathological code). Luke
suggested a scheme where variables would have a needsDOD property (or
some such thing) and a DOD would be triggered at the end of any scope
that contained such a variable. Benjamin Goldberg offered a suggestion
for a hybrid reference counting/full GC scheme.
Garrett Goebel pointed out that the details of how Perl 6 implements
this are really irrelevant at the moment; Dan has said there will be a
way to trigger a DOD run at any time, which means that Parrot should
support whatever scheme the Perl 6 implementers come up with.
<http://xrl.us/h6m>
BASIC gets fancy
Clinton A. Pierce announced that the compiled version of BASIC under
languages/BASIC/compiler now supports the QuickBASIC style "COLOR",
"LOCATE" and "CLS" statements. These additions prompted Leon Brocard to
post a colour version of mandel.bas which generates a colour
representation of the Mandelbrot set.
<http://xrl.us/h6n>
<http://xrl.us/h6o>
More sub/method call stuff
Dan announced that now we know what the calling conventions will be, we
should look at how we should make calls to parrot functions. He outlined
a continuation passing style approach which looks like it should have
all the right magic.
Hmm... I just tried to write a short description of continuation passing
style and ended up duplicating most of Dan's post, but not so well
written, you're better off reading that.
The general response to this was positive (once people had got over
boggling at the idea of data encapsulation in an 'assembler').
There was also some discussion of how continuations, tied variables and
hypotheticals would interact (answer: We don't know yet, but it looks
interesting...)
<http://xrl.us/h6p>
Indexing registers or something
Klaas-Jan Stol wondered about adding some way of doing register based
indirect addressing (as Dan called it), which would allow for iterating
over a set of registers in a loop (amongst other things). Dan suggested
a couple of ways of doing it, but wanted a usage case for
compiler-generated code before he went implementing anything. Klaas-Jan
suggested a Lua construct that's analogous to the Perlish "($a, $b, $c)
= (f(), g(), h())" as an example of where such code would come in handy.
Luke Palmer suggested a way of implementing that in code that wouldn't
need the indirect register addressing, and noted that if indirect
register addressing were implemented then IMCC would probably get very
confused indeed.
<http://xrl.us/h6q>
Socket IO
Andrew The has been working on getting Socket IO working in Parrot,
implementing a thin layer over the BSD socket functions and he had a few
questions about the official way to do some things. Leo Tötsch answered
some questions, and suggested that Andrew liaise with Jürgen Bömmels,
who is working on Parrot's IO layer.
<http://xrl.us/h6r>
Using vtable macros
Leo Tötsch offered a couple of scripts to convert a Parrot distribution
to use the new "VTABLE_*" vtable macros (it's done as a script because
some many people have their own collection of patches in place, so a
simple CVS commit doesn't catch all the vtable accesses).
<http://xrl.us/h6s>
Disable unused vtable entries
Leo Tötsch proposed disabling all vtable methods that are either unused
or not covered by opcodes. He reckons that this should make changes to
the class hierarchy and vtable layout much simpler. Warnock's Dilemma
currently applies.
<http://xrl.us/h6t>
String->number problems
Clint Pierce noticed that
set S1, "Not really a number 2"
set N0, S1
print N0
end
gets its string to number conversion wrong and outputs 2.00000 rather
than the expected 0.00000. Luke Palmer patched it, but Benjamin Goldberg
pointed out a few problems to do with string encodings.
<http://xrl.us/h6u>
Fixes to Parrot::Test
Bruce Gray tracked down and fixed some problems with "make test" seeing
fake test failures, which turned out to arise from two interacting bugs
in Parrot::Test
<http://xrl.us/h6v>
Switched run core
Leo Tötsch supplied a patch to add a switched prederefed run core to
Parrot's menu of run core options. It's slightly faster than the plain
prederefed run core, and Leo thinks it should be the default run core
when the computed got and JIT cores are unavailable. Bruce Gray caught a
problem with an embedded newline which broke a couple of the
tinderboxes. As far as I know the patch has not yet been applied to the
CVS distribution.
<http://xrl.us/h6w>
Meanwhile in perl6-language
The language list was quiet this week, with a grand total of 20
messages...
Contexts
Steve Fink had some questions about function signatures and how they
interacted with pairs. The upshot of his question was the reminder that
if you want to pass a literal pair into a function you need to remember
to put it in parentheses "func(1, (a =" 7))> or it will be interpreted
as a named parameter, which will throw an error if there isn't an
appropriately named parameter or a slurpy hash param.
<http://xrl.us/h6x>
The object sigil
Luke Palmer wants a sigil to explicitly disambiguate between a container
and the thing contained (short circuiting any language level delegation)
and proposed "&" as the appropriate sigil. I'm not entirely sure that
you need anything more than "\" and some carefully deployed parentheses.
I also appear to have missed something as there seemed to be an
assumption that in code like this
for 1..Inf -> $x { ... }
then $x wouldn't be a simple scalar, but an iterator, allowing you to
write "$x.next" in the body of the loop, which I have to confess is news
to me.
<http://xrl.us/h6y>
Acknowledgements, Announcements and Apologies
Thanks to everyone for everything. Particular thanks to whoever chose
both my talks for YAPC this year; I really should get around to writing
them soon. And fixing the massive bug in the module that one of the
talks is all about...
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Piers