RE: Re: Vancouver Prothon talk

Christian Tismer wrote:

> Mark Hahn wrote:
> 
> > I've changed the URL: 
> > http://prothon.org/pub/prothon/docs/vanpy/ProthonTalk.htm
> 
> Would you mind to be a little more elaborate about
> the Stackless features in the slides?

I will be.  So far I've only put the overview section up on the web.
I'm still working on the detailed section.

> Especially, I dislike written claims which look like things
> are implemented already, since this will end up in the search 
> engines, not the relativating actual words you are going to say.

I was planning on telling what was implemented and what wasn't verbally,
but I see your point about the web.  I will figure out how to make this
more explicit.

> I have no problem if you are talking of existing channels 
> which are really implemented and can be compared to Stackless 
> channels.
> 
> But please don't abuse the name "Stackless" to advertize for 
> features before you really have them. I think to reserve the 
> name for the future, because the necessary effort to make an 
> existing language stackless is not comparable to implementing 
> it from scratch. I did not plan to work five years and leave 
> the name to someone else.

I will remove the name stackless from the heading.  How about if I add a
line item saying "Will be ported from Christian Tismer's Stackless".
This will both say that it is not done yet and will make the
relationship to your Stackless clear.  It will also make it clear you
own the stackless name.

Even if your lines of code get mangled beyond recognition in my Prothon,
I still consider this a port because I will be going through your code
and learning everything from it and from you and your five years.  I
will be able to bring up my version very fast because of all your hard
work.

As I told you before, I was going to give you the credit for this and
tell everyone that I was stealing you techniques and your code, which is
the truth.  I thought since I was stealing your code you'd have no
problem stealing the name.  

The reason I put the presentation up on the web is exactly so that you
and everyone can see it first so that we can resolve problems like this.
I will change it until you are totally happy.

> I'd really appreciate if you could label these features as 
> things to come soon, and not so talk about "Stackless" at 
> all, but about features which exist in Stackless Python, too.
> 
> In a way, I'm worried. You could do a different, similar 
> presentation without worrying me. But I'm worried. My stomach 
> tells me that I don't want it this way. Please think of it.

You tell your stomach that I will make it ok.  It would be very stupid
of me to piss off the person who has the technology that I need. :-)