Re: Proposed 3.5 release plan

Daniel Vainsencher wrote:
> 
> Sounds fine to me. Small comments -
> In my eyes, the reason is more to have an unusually clean release,
> before we an unusual mess of things by starting to pull stuff out, than
> to fix any two particular bugs. Those two happen to be ones we'd like to
> release before 3.6.

Yes, I'll add a comment about wanting to have a release free of major bugs as
a sort of baseline fr people to use, before the "turmoil" of package removal
etc. in 3.6 begins.

> I think if we haven't decided it by now, it's quite unlikely that 3.5+1
> will be 4.0. We haven't prepared for or talked about a compatibility
> break at all, and it seems to me like the sort of thing you want to do
> right at the beginning of a release cycle. So 3.6 is pretty definite.

I agree.  I think there's been a sort of assumption that we would want to get
started with splitting packages off of the image for at least one release
before worrying about a possible image format change.  So if there are no
objections I'll remove the tentative tone about "3.6" in the announcement and
declare that the post-3.5 release will definitely be called 3.6.

We will need to start thinking about when a possible image format change might
happen, which Tim brought up recently.  I think we're agreed that a major
version number change should be used for an image format change, it's just a
matter of when... we could go from 3.6 -> 4.0, or 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 4.0, or... 
Anyway, we don't have to decide on that now.  Perhaps Tim can comment further.

- Doug Way
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[email protected] wrote:
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> Daniel Vainsencher <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I don't know if votes are that important (in the absence of any dissent,
> > at least), but yes anyway.
> 
> I looked up the word "dissent" but could still not really figure out
> what you mean.

Dissent meaning "opposition" or "disagreement".  I think he meant that since
nobody strongly objected (on squeak-dev or here) to the idea of SCG becoming
stewards of the kernel, in that sense maybe we didn't really need to vote on
it.

But I agree that an official vote is good for this type of important decision.

- Doug Way
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From: Daniel Vainsencher <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Squeakfoundation]Proposed 3.5 release plan
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I'd like to get the removing process underway, and get our new
harvesting process warmed up, and then we have a lot to talk about -
* Shutting up the network classes use of UI (hopefully, based on
MichaelRs work)
* Using one of the Streams-should-not-represent-resources refactorings
(Flow/IOHandle)
* Streams-should-be-clean (Flow again)
* Closures, which require replacing the compiler with Anthony's SmaCC
based parser+RB AST+visitors, and adding primitives
* And yes, somewhere in there, an image format change.

Daniel

Doug Way <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Daniel Vainsencher wrote:
> > 
> > Sounds fine to me. Small comments -
> > In my eyes, the reason is more to have an unusually clean release,
> > before we an unusual mess of things by starting to pull stuff out, than
> > to fix any two particular bugs. Those two happen to be ones we'd like to
> > release before 3.6.
> 
> Yes, I'll add a comment about wanting to have a release free of major bugs as
> a sort of baseline fr people to use, before the "turmoil" of package removal
> etc. in 3.6 begins.
> 
> > I think if we haven't decided it by now, it's quite unlikely that 3.5+1
> > will be 4.0. We haven't prepared for or talked about a compatibility
> > break at all, and it seems to me like the sort of thing you want to do
> > right at the beginning of a release cycle. So 3.6 is pretty definite.
> 
> I agree.  I think there's been a sort of assumption that we would want to get
> started with splitting packages off of the image for at least one release
> before worrying about a possible image format change.  So if there are no
> objections I'll remove the tentative tone about "3.6" in the announcement and
> declare that the post-3.5 release will definitely be called 3.6.
> 
> We will need to start thinking about when a possible image format change might
> happen, which Tim brought up recently.  I think we're agreed that a major
> version number change should be used for an image format change, it's just a
> matter of when... we could go from 3.6 -> 4.0, or 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 4.0, or... 
> Anyway, we don't have to decide on that now.  Perhaps Tim can comment further.
> 
> - Doug Way
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On Wednesday 12 March 2003 12:14 pm, Daniel Vainsencher wrote:
> I'd like to get the removing process underway, and get our new
> harvesting process warmed up, and then we have a lot to talk about
> - * Shutting up the network classes use of UI (hopefully, based on
> MichaelRs work)
> * Using one of the Streams-should-not-represent-resources
> refactorings (Flow/IOHandle)
> * Streams-should-be-clean (Flow again)
> * Closures, which require replacing the compiler with Anthony's
> SmaCC based parser+RB AST+visitors, and adding primitives
> * And yes, somewhere in there, an image format change.

I'd add:

* clean up file name/file directory/URL stuff
* add registry for Flaps (though these should be in a package)

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Ned Konz
http://bike-nomad.com
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