Re: Incorporating removals & KCP stuff

Stephane Ducasse wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 08:04 PM, Daniel Vainsencher wrote:
> 
> > I see a couple of alternatives -
> > 1. Doug uses the script on the swiki to get the changesets and adds the
> > ones I approved  to the update stream. I don't know how much more work
> > this is than getting them off the list, might be easier. Doug?
> 
> I think that this is the best because we avoid file manipulation.
> By the way the 0011 is not buggy and plain normal.
> Daniel noury went over everything and added some fixes but as new
> changesets.

This would be fine.  Using the script on the swiki to get the changesets would
probably be easiest anyway.  So we will do this.

(At first I was thinking that it would still be nice to submit email(s) to the
list which simply contained all of the preambles for the changesets, so
everyone would see what was about to go in.  But this is probably not really
necessary, because there are good descriptions on the Swiki page at
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3083, and everyone can see these.)

- Doug
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Hi all

After trying to read and understand all the emails in the squeak-dev  
list I would like to make some points. This is personal and you do not  
need to reply I try to stay at the fact levels but I will certainly  
fail.

Squeak is a in transition phase from oligarchy to democracy so this  
kind of crisis are normal. Still we should leanr from them		

Side One:
	I had the impression that andreas was facing a bit the situation that  
we were before. I think that he is a bit exaggerating. I think that the  
situation is improving (slowly sure but improving). Lots of new stuff  
are happening even if there are not thrown away in the image because  
one SqC guys like it. Andreas is shouting but he should be the  
multimedia Guides/Harvester if he wants. This is fun because before  
when somebody was saying something he got the message: do it this is  
open source and his stuff has nearly zero chance of getting included if  
it was not eToys, MM oriented.

Side Two:
	Andreas has some points:
		- we need a simple way for people to propose projects as in zope with  
some simple
		key points: leader, description, design/solution, history, code

		We could have something similar to:
		http://dev.zope.org/Fishbowl/Introduction.html
		http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/DeclarativeSecurity/ 
FrontPage
	
	- We should really pay attention that people can get involved.

	- Squeak should have a Vision: I like the Smalltalk Platform this  
includes everything.
	
	- We should find way to get faster harvesting.

	- We should have a decent web-site: the one of Squeak is bad. Look at  
the one of Zope for 	example, the four item on the left is about  
getting involved. So may be a call for a better
	web-site is important.

I guess that you all know that but I wanted to share that with you,  
because we should not kill the Guides before they even can show that  
they can do it.

Stef