[fm #27534] (news-admins) Submission report

On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 17:45, Daniel Pearson via RT wrote:
> We don't have any record regarding who originally submitted the Squeak listing
> on freshmeat.
> 
It was Ted Kaehler <[email protected]>, it turns out.

Anyway, Daniel, I have requested ownership of the project earlier today,
being the guy who currently takes care of public relations for the
Squeak project (for some value of 'taking care' ;-)). There's probably a
new ticket to that effect in your RT queue. 

The original request came from someone we've never heard of in our
community, but it did trigger a small discussion on the fact that the
project's entry on FM was dangling.

Regards,

Cees de Groot
('cdegroot' on FM,Slashdot,SF,and probably one or two places I forgot)


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[email protected] wrote (Thu, May 15 2003 11:10:49):

> On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 17:45, Daniel Pearson via RT wrote:
> > We don't have any record regarding who originally submitted the Squeak listing
> > on freshmeat.
> > 
> It was Ted Kaehler <[email protected]>, it turns out.
> 
> Anyway, Daniel, I have requested ownership of the project earlier today,
> being the guy who currently takes care of public relations for the
> Squeak project (for some value of 'taking care' ;-)).

OK, I've approved your request.  



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(thought this was worth cross-posting to the SqF list too)

In order to make the harvesting process more lively, we'd like to have 
about 5 more Harvesting Volunteers.

Responders should be quite experienced with Squeak, should be familiar 
with and willing to apply the rules as published on the Swiki, and have 
an intention to harvest roughly 5 change sets a month (no sworn oaths 
needed - but we are trying to keep up with the harvesting load).

Candidates should reply with evaluations of their first 5 intended 
changesets (can be [FIX]es or [ENH]ancements), just to get started, and 
to make sure we're in sync, since some aspects of the process are new.  
Changeset evaluations don't need to be meticulously detailed... just 
good enough for an external review [er].

Please reply to me directly, and I'll discuss with the other 
harvesters.  Basically, if your 5 changeset reviews look reasonable, 
you'll probably be accepted... unless we get way too many volunteers, 
which is unlikely. :-)

http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/squeakfoundation/45
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3152

- Doug Way
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Since Marcus Denker is doing a fair amount of work with maintaining the
test-related packages for Squeak (SUnit, BaseImage Tests, and some other
package tests), I went ahead and added him on the Volunteer Roles page as the
"Testing Coordinator".  (I checked with Marcus beforehand.)

In the future, he could help coordinate automated testing, whenever we get to
that stage...

http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/squeakfoundation/88

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Doug Way <[email protected]> wrote:
> Since Marcus Denker is doing a fair amount of work with maintaining the
> test-related packages for Squeak (SUnit, BaseImage Tests, and some other
> package tests), I went ahead and added him on the Volunteer Roles page as the
> "Testing Coordinator".  (I checked with Marcus beforehand.)

Great!

We probably need more of these roles btw.

regards, Göran
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So in other words, I think we should be able to go ahead and add  
SqueakMap to the current image?  It will certainly be part of the Basic  
image, and would probably toward the end of the list of items removed  
from the Minimal image (after most development tools, Morphic, MVC,  
etc., are already removed).

We will simply "promise" not to use the main update stream to change  
code that resides in packages.  The only exception would be SqueakMap  
itself, which I guess also happens to be a package.  But I don't think  
that's a major problem... yes, the update stream may include major  
upgrades to SM (such as SM 1.1) which simply overwrites the old package  
in the image.

(Then there's Andreas' new stuff which supports update streams on  
individual packages, which I haven't looked at closely yet... I'm not  
sure if that would make a big difference for this particular case.)

- Doug Way


On Friday, May 9, 2003, at 10:21 AM, Daniel Vainsencher wrote:

> Once and only once - code that affects packages should be distributed  
> in
> no other way than by being in the package.
>
> This important for two reasons -
> 1. The package owner really should be the only one that decides about
> code that goes in his package.
> 2. If packages depend on active Harvesting of all their stuff, that
> slows down the maintainance of base itself, and the evolution of all
> packages. The opposite of what we want.
>
> Part of this is removing concerns from the Harvesters. The maximum they
> should worry about packages is that when packages are updated that
> affect a certain image brand (base, full), the maintainer of the image
> should have the option of making the package update itself. Of course,
> this can be done easily if SM in the image, which is not a problem for
> Base and Full.
>
> Daniel
>
> John M McIntosh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 04:22  AM, [email protected]
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> But the update stream is only used for code not in packages. It can
>>> only
>>> "expect" an image that doesn't have SM. Aargh. My head spins.
>>>
>>> Need to think more...
>>
>> Well any way to change the update stream logic to consider packages.
>> Then the update stream
>> could update packages if they are installed, otherwise they get
>> skipped. Later if you load said package
>> and rerun the update, it might go back and re-apply updates as needed
>> based on which packages
>> are now loaded?
>>
>> --
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>> ===
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