Re: New update stream (was Re: Order of business ...)

At 12:52 AM +0300 11/16/02, [email protected] wrote:
>Hi Scott.
>
>We got no answers from you on:

I apologize for not replying sooner, but I hope you'll find the wait 
has been worthwhile ;-)


>  > Three issues we should start moving on, IMO:
>>  1. Process to take physical ownership of updates.
>>   * Scott/SqC - do you have any remaining agenda for 3.4a/3.2.1, to
>  > settle before handing over the "keys"?

The Guides have the "keys" already, in the sense that no updates are 
being published by SqC without the prior approval of the Guides.

Having said that, I should add that I had been willing and intending 
and expecting to take responsibility to drive Squeak 3.4 quickly 
forward, right the way through to final release within the next month 
--  a "unification" release that could reunite the community; the 
last monolithic image, the last SqC image, a solid basis from which 
the SqueakMap culture could start to form and from which forthcoming 
image refactoring and stripping could start taking place in Squeak 
3.5a in a matter of weeks.

Indeed, I had been thinking of it as something that SqC *owed* to the 
community, after this difficult year.

This is a lot of work, people -- stressful, exacting, time-consuming, 
uncelebrated, unpaid.  Thus, the sudden prospect of immediate, 
complete freedom from such responsibilities is very enticing.  So I 
accept ;-)

If the preference and mood of the community are for an immediate and 
unconditional and complete hand-over to the Guides, today, right now, 
of responsibility for 3.4 (and for all Squeak versions for that 
matter,) consider it done.  The keys are in the ignition, guys, go 
ahead and drive it off  ;-)


>  >  * Scott, are you interested in some role (as vaguely ;-) postulated by
>  > goran, or otherwise) under the guidance (sic) of us Guides?

Yes, I'm willing to serve a bridging role.  If the Guides want to 
send me fileouts for publication as updates, I'll gladly publish 
them; this would afford the full effect of a hand-off while not for 
the moment requiring us to change too many other things all at once.


>  >  * If neither of the above, can you explain the current existing tools
>>  in the image for handling this and the required resources, so we can
>  > plan a clean transition?

Well, this communication needs to be done in any case.  I will 
explain everything I know, but Dan is the best person to transmit 
most of this information -- they're his tools, and his procedures, 
and he is the person of record on the sites, guardian of the 
passwords, contact person with uiuc, etc.  Ted is the other leading 
expert and insider in these matters.


>And if the last, then on the technical side -
>
>  > I assume basically we'll need some public readable, Guides writeable
>  > storage space on updates.squeakfoundation.org, and a final update on
>  > both all current servers and versions that changes the urls currently in
>  > the image. Am I missing something?

Sounds like you're on top of it.  Good luck!


Cheers,

   -- Scott