re: 3.5 release timing

This is all fine, except that in most cases, we don't know or control
what will be in a release in advance. The most we can do is try to
influence it, by explaining what is important in our opinions and why. 

I think it's more practical for us to be flexible about the content, but
harsh about the timing/standards required for getting in.

I'm starting to agree, though, that what grand plans we do make, we
should announce before the previous release is out.

About the contents of this specific release, I agree the project fix and
the class builder fix are desirable (and are probably practical, since
we have candidate fixes for both), but wouldn't reject out of hand other
fixes posted if they are properly reviewed, tested, and very simple.
Also, I think the font license non-issues should be smoked out finally
by pulling in some apple-font removing package from SM.

I would like to enlist at least all guides to help in making QA tags
widely used. This requires, on the one hand, being the "bad people" and
requiring more QA tags for submissions that don't have them, and OTOH,
when review tags are added, doing our own review and highlighting what
isn't good enough, to clarify what the tags actually mean.

Being demanding is sometimes considered neither fun nor popular. but I
submit to you that -
A. it may not be popular, but it'll be far more popular than having a
slow/ineffective feedback cycles.
B. It CAN be a LOT of fun if you get in the right, nasty mood for it ;-)

Daniel
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In case the 3.6 release plan becomes a feature in the 3.5 release, here =
are few initial ideas for 3.6:
--removing Balloon3D=20
--removing Celeste=20
--removing the "Worlds of Squeak" project=20

The Welcome window in 3.6 could have "quick-install-from-SqueakMap" =
active links for each of the packages/projects that is removed.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Craig Latta [mailto:[email protected]]
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Subject:	[Squeakfoundation]re: 3.5 release timing

[snip]

Also, ideally, the naming, feature-scheduling and timing for a
particular version is finalized by the time of the previous version's
release. At the latest, the discussion is finalized during the previous
gamma (often having the useful side-effect of appeasing those whose
not-quite-critical-enough submissions were deferred :). So, for example,
I hope we can finalize the schedule for <the-release-after-3.5> by the
time we release 3.5. In fact, I'd even go so far as to make the next
release schedule an official feature of each release. :)

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On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 08:56:12AM -0500, Brent Vukmer wrote:
> In case the 3.6 release plan becomes a feature in the 3.5 release, here are few initial ideas for 3.6:
> --removing Balloon3D 
> --removing Celeste 
> --removing the "Worlds of Squeak" project 
> 
  -- removing all the SUNIT - tests.
  -- Maybe: removing SUnit 3.0 (we have 3.1 on SqueakMap).
 
 Marcus

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