Re: [ANN] SeasideTesting recovered from oblivion
"Sean P. DeNigris" <[email protected]>
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NorbertHartl wrote > Cool. Need to think where it is useful. On the one hand testing without > external components is good. On the other hand you can only test very > simple stuff with it. In the Ruby RSpec/Cucumber world, testing is though of as two concentric circles. First are the unit tests which are blazing fast because you mock/stub out everything, then your acceptance tests which test the application as a whole. So you only run the real (slow) tests after the fast tests have all passed. Even in the Cucumber acceptance test cycle, there are three options: 1. Direct Model Access - similar to unit tests and is useful for setup code or for code that is cumbersome to simulate 2. Simulated browser - uses a framework to simulate the actual get/put/post(s). When I was programming in Ruby, one big limitation was that you could not test JS this way. 3. Automated browser - e.g. Selenium It was a bit of an art form to figure out which technique to apply in each situation, balancing ease with testing value. For anyone interested in TDD, I would highly recommend investigating the rspec/Cucumber process which IMHO took Smalltalk's original invention and strapped rocket boosters to it! The RSpec and Cucumber books are great places to start. Also, check out Dan North's BDD (Behavioral…) philosophy on which the frameworks are based. One of my dream projects is to take what they did, and turn it from dead text files into a real model in a live Smalltalk image. That would be truly special, but in my experience hits a double blue plane wall - Smalltalkers think "We can't learn anything from Ruby. We invented TDD! BDD is just a trendy acronym for what we've been doing for decades" (spoiler alert - it's not) and Rubyers have the all-to-familiar "OMG, an image?! Where are my beloved files?! I can't use emacs?!?! Nooo!!!"* * yes, it seems someone made it so that you can use emacs with Pharo, but you get the idea ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Seaside-General-f86180.html _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [email protected] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside