Re: File error on open and sound reverb problem again

Steve,

Here is the 374kb file on Dropbox

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16590498/Sound_Prefs_Test_4.002.pr

Mike



On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Steve Thomas <sthomas1-gQhbkF4bah9Wk0Htik3J/[email protected]> wrote:
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> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mike Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> I stepped through again following your steps exactly. Pressing cmd-s
>> on my Macbook Pro running 10.6.7 and Etoys 4.1.1. inexplicably caused
>> the quoted string to disappear. I went ahead and saved the Etoys
>> project file, see screenshots:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/6337954306/sizes/o/in/photostream/
>>
>> Upon returning to the SoundPlayer class in the code browser, the
>> original code is gone and replaced with different text.
>
> Actually the code is probably still there, I see you have "instance"
> highlighted, try clicking on "class" (in your last step/image) to find the
> code.
> Can you send me a copy of the project.
> Stephen
>>
>> The reverb persists.
>>
>> To recap, others are telling me there may be a fix in 4.1.2 or 4.2,
>> but for now it seems like I need to find a resolution to the reverb
>> manually as I will be distributing 4.1.1 and 700 project files to 20
>> volunteers next Sunday.
>>
>> This sound reverb issue is undoubtedly some legacy decision that now
>> must be persisted as a default because so many files expect the effect
>> to be present. But, like so many aspects of the grandfather clock that
>> Etoys is, it makes no sense. Imagine if a photo editing program tinted
>> your images pink by default because some developer years ago thought
>> that was cool. No other piece of authoring software I've encountered
>> since I started using graphical computers in 1985 puts a filter effect
>> on a media asset by default.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > On 12.11.2011, at 11:15, Mike Lee wrote:
>> >
>> >> After some hours of reading and clicking around, I finally got to the
>> >> SoundPlayer initialize string in the class method.
>> >
>> > "diving into the byzantine bowels of Squeak Etoys and Smalltalk" - very
>> > courageous ;)
>> >
>> > A better way to open a Squeak Browser in Etoys is via the XO's "view
>> > source" key. No need to fiddle with preferences. On a Mac that's cmd-comma
>> > and on PC ctrl-comma.
>> >
>> >> I added the quotes closed everything up
>> >
>> > You need to press cmd-s / ctrl-s to "accept" the method (possibly you
>> > did but didn't mention it). It will ask for your initials (every change is
>> > logged with a time stamp and author).
>> >
>> >> and was not able to save the Etoys file due to an error writing the
>> >> image file.
>> >
>> > You normally don't want to save the image file. On many systems you
>> > can't (as you discovered) because this modifies the Etoys application
>> > itself. That menu entry is in the developer's world menu (accessible by
>> > toggling the "etoy-friendly" preference you found). The view-source menu
>> > leaves these out, which is why we recommend using that.
>> >
>> >> Perhaps this is what you mean by
>> >> "attaching [the change] to the project," which I haven't a clue how to
>> >> do.
>> >
>> > You don't need to do anything special, as long as you edited the method
>> > while in the project that needs the change. Any method you accept in a
>> > project is added to that project's changeset automatically. You just need to
>> > save the project afterwards (and it will ask you if you want to include the
>> > changes).
>> >
>> >> See my screenshots:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/6337002318/sizes/o/in/photostream/
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >
>> > Very nice, I could see exactly what you were doing (except I could not
>> > guess which OS you were on).
>> >
>> > - Bert
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:32 PM, karl ramberg <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> I'm not sure what Halo changes Steve suggest...
>> >>> Fix is quite easy if you know your way around the Etoys system.
>> >>> Just comment out the SoundPlayer initialize in the class method, see
>> >>> below.
>> >>> A change set with this fix can be attached to the project.
>> >>>
>> >>> Karl
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> SoundPlayer class>>startUpWithSound:
>> >>>  startUpWithSound: aSound
>> >>>       "Start up the player process."
>> >>>
>> >>> +       "SoundPlayer initialize."
>> >>> -       SoundPlayer initialize.
>> >>>       SoundPlayer
>> >>>               startPlayerProcessBufferSize: (BufferMSecs *
>> >>> SamplingRate) // 1000
>> >>>               rate: SamplingRate
>> >>>               stereo: Stereo
>> >>>               sound: aSound.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Mike Lee <[email protected]>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> Karl,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good to hear of the fix. If reverb is turned off in 4.2, or if I
>> >>>> change it in the world Halo as Steve suggests, should we expert that
>> >>>> the setting will be honored on prior versions--even if the file is
>> >>>> changed and resaved?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mike
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:20 AM, karl ramberg <[email protected]>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> I fixed an issue with reverb i that is included in Etoys 4.2.
>> >>>>> SoundPlayer initializes everytime it is started and the reverb is
>> >>>>> set
>> >>>>> to true every time.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Karl
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Mike Lee <[email protected]>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The Lubuto Library Project to develop 700 Etoys lessons in Zambia
>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>> finally nearing completion after a year of work by teachers and
>> >>>>>> students in Lusaka. There are 100 lessons in 7 Zambian languages
>> >>>>>> plus
>> >>>>>> 700 sound files that have to be associated with a button in the
>> >>>>>> files.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Now we have have enlisted a group of Washington, D.C.-area
>> >>>>>> volunteers
>> >>>>>> from the Special Libraries Association to help with a final
>> >>>>>> finishing
>> >>>>>> pass at the files.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Though all the files were authored on OLPC XO laptops in Sugar
>> >>>>>> using
>> >>>>>> Etoys 3.x, we wish to do the final production on Etoys 4.1 on Mac
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> PC depending on what the volunteer has. The finished files need to
>> >>>>>> open and function properly on Etoys 3.x and 4.x on all platforms.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have some initial questions regarding some problems working with
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> files across different versions of  Etoys.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 1) When I double-click to open the files from Zambia on Etoys 4.1
>> >>>>>> Mac,
>> >>>>>> I get an error message that prevents the file from loading and
>> >>>>>> makes
>> >>>>>> it impossible to close Etoys without a force quit. I have seen this
>> >>>>>> error before when I open older project files on new builds of Etoys
>> >>>>>> on
>> >>>>>> the XO. On Eotys 4.1 Mac, I can open the file from with Etoys. Here
>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>> a screen shot:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/6265581802/in/photostream
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> And here is a sample file on Dropbox:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16590498/Citonga%201%20Afabeti%201.003.pr
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2) The sound reverb problem persists. Opening up the Etoys 4.1
>> >>>>>> Score
>> >>>>>> Player in the files authored in Etoys 3.x and clicking the Disable
>> >>>>>> Reverb button doesn't work.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance to whomever can provide some guidance.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mike
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