Re: Found Bug But Not Sure How to Proceed To Fix

Jeremy Landry <[email protected]> Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:18:30 -0800
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And I can back that up, now...

PasteUpMorph cursor  _also_ uses the expandBy: method and has redrawing
issues.

Somehow I think morphs are either giving wrong information to the the
expandBy: method or expandBy: is doing it's own calculations incorrectly....

Change the expandBy: to any number and the cursor square will change (use a
larger number, btw) and it will still not erase correctly.  It has a 2
pixel offset, the same as the thickness of the cursor.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Jeremy Landry <[email protected]> wrote:

> So far, with a little testing, everything lines up much better with .1
> instead of removing it.  removing that offset still sees to make it offset,
> but .1 lines everything up visually more...still not perfect, but much less
> flagrant.  It still has a clipping glitch (you can see it with a rectangle
> when rotating: the border gets clipped off) but it does visually appear
> more 'solid' and expected when aligning rectangular shapes together.
>
> I'm going to keep experimenting to find something that keeps the rotated
> bitmap in tact while still aligning properly.  I feel like I probably
> glanced at a method that needs an edit over and over but haven't realized
> which one it is yet. I still need to look into the cursor not being
> properly redrawn as well.  I might be stretching or trying to make a
> connection that isn't there, but something 'feels' related to this and the
> cursor, like some common reference point is being shifted so that the
> cursor's area for drawing doesn't reach the left and bottom edges just like
> the origin doesn't reach the left and bottom edges correctly for the this
> rotation issue.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:37 PM, David T. Lewis <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Does anything bad happen if the "expandBy: 1" is removed? I tried
>> removing it
>> in my Squeak trunk image, and "CompassDialMorph new openInWorld" (which
>> is one
>> user of TransformationMorph) seems to work nicely.
>>
>> And if the "expandBy: 1" is removed in an Etoys image, does anything bad
>> happen?
>> Does it fix the issue that Jeremy is seeing?
>>
>> This would be an easy thing to fix in Squeak trunk, which hopefully will
>> become
>> part of future Etoys releases, knock wood.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 03:19:54PM -0500, Bob Arning wrote:
>> > TransformationMorph>>computeBounds
>> > ?????? self hasSubmorphs ifTrue:
>> > ?????? ?????? [bounds _ (transform localBoundsToGlobal:
>> > ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? (Rectangle merging:
>> > ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? (self submorphs collect: [:m
>> | m
>> > fullBounds]))) truncated
>> > ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? expandBy: 1].
>> > ?????? fullBounds _ bounds.
>> >
>> > Note the expandBy: 1
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/2/18 1:59 PM, Jeremy Landry wrote:
>> > >Actually to add a little more insight if possible, you can create bug
>> > >with the following actions:
>> > >
>> > >make a new playfield
>> > >make 2 new rectangles and place them into the playfield.
>> > >Rotate one of them 90 degrees.
>> > >Turn gridding on in the playfield.
>> > >
>> > >The rotated and unscaled rectangle will not align with the non-rotated
>> > >one with gridding.?? Something about making a bitmap copy is offsetting
>> > >the values, my guess is there's a rounding problem that is popping up
>> > >on these objects, thus scale and rotation get offset for some reason,
>> > >and specifically changes the origin by 1@-1 somewhere...it causes
>> > >graphical glitches leaving 'garbage' with playfield indicators when
>> > >the object that has the indicator is moved and also shows up with
>> > >rotated ellipses.?? What is the common thread through them all??? What
>> > >method are they all accessing?
>> > >
>> > >On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Jeremy Landry <[email protected]
>> > ><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >    You will also notice if you rotate any shape, it becomes a bit
>> > >    map.?? Scale it and you will see that problem re-occur even with
>> > >    built-in objects.?? Could it be the masking offset, too??? that
>> > >    causes this??? I'm still investigating, but I'm not sure how to
>> > >    step through 'already working' things specifically related to what
>> > >    I'm trying to look at.
>> > >
>> > >    On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Jeremy Landry <[email protected]
>> > >    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >        Hi, it only appears when scaling a morph.?? Here is
>> > >        example...it is my belief (how does one step through code with
>> > >        debugger if there's no bug happening?);
>> > >
>> > >        Whatever code is common that scales morphs is being offset
>> > >        incorrectly. The first image shows the 'garbage' left behind
>> > >        by playfield indicator if that option is set.?? It seems it was
>> > >        only tested in 'holders' and thus likely not picked up during
>> > >        'intended' use.
>> > >
>> > >        Next, two pictures show scaling as where the misalignment
>> > >        starts.?? This might be why you could not recreate bug;
>> > >        resizing rectangle changes rectangle morph extent, whereas
>> > >        scaling is a differnet piece of code and therefore different
>> > >        outcome.
>> > >
>> > >        Image included.?? This works with *anything* scaled.
>> > >        https://imgur.com/a/6zEWq
>> > >
>> > >        On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Bob Arning
>> > >        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >            I tried to recreate your example and could not. How did
>> > >            you create the two morphs in your example? Are you certain
>> > >            the read/gray morph does not have some transparent pixels
>> > >            along the top and left?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >            On 3/2/18 12:50 PM, Jeremy Landry wrote:
>> > >>            I did a little more digging, just for the record...and it
>> > >>            turns out it's scaling error.?? No matter what, scaling
>> > >>            offsets morphs by 1@-1.?? I'm still looking for where
>> this
>> > >>            occurs and why.?? So far, injecting intentionally bad
>> > >>            values into bordered morph and sketch classes hasn't
>> > >>            produced any change.?? It 'feels' like most of that code
>> > >>            isn't even used, but then again, I might not have
>> > >>            genuinely created a new object with that code and system
>> > >>            might have been giving me what was already in system...
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>            On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 7:15 AM, Bert Freudenberg
>> > >>            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>                That bug tracker is pretty much dead, since all
>> > >>                ongoing development moved to squeak.org
>> > >>                <http://squeak.org>.
>> > >>
>> > >>                The plan was to make a new Etoys release based on the
>> > >>                latest Squeak source base, but we have not have
>> > >>                enough developer time to make that actually happen.
>> > >>
>> > >>                - Bert -
>> > >>
>> > >>                On 1 March 2018 at 06:03, Nicco Kunzmann (rambler)
>> > >>                <[email protected]
>> > >>                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>                    Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >>                    I found a bug tracker on the squeakland site:
>> > >>                    http://tracker.squeakland.org/
>> secure/Dashboard.jspa
>> > >>                    <http://tracker.squeakland.org
>> /secure/Dashboard.jspa>
>> > >>
>> > >>                    I think, you can describe the problem there as an
>> > >>                    issue and hand in the fix.
>> > >>                    They may also know how to guide you further if
>> > >>                    the code base is somewhere else.
>> > >>                    If you have problems there (login, no response),
>> > >>                    I guess, this mailing list is one place to ask
>> > >>                    for help.
>> > >>
>> > >>                    Best,
>> > >>                    Nicco
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>                    On 03/01/2018 03:34 AM, Jeremy Landry wrote:
>> > >>>                    Hi, while working on a project needing precise
>> > >>>                    alignment of sketches/bitmaps and rectangles
>> > >>>                    using playfield 'use gridding', it seems that
>> > >>>                    there's a difference of detected origin.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>                    Here's a screenshot with magnifier showing the
>> > >>>                    discrepency.
>> > >>>                    https://imgur.com/a/tcaRu
>> > >>>
>> > >>>                    I'm quite certain this bug is the one that
>> > >>>                    causes bad redrawing, especially when showing a
>> > >>>                    cursor move when 'indicate cursor' is activated
>> > >>>                    in a playfield.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>                    If I correct this bug inside of a project, will
>> > >>>                    it load into an image where it has not been
>> > >>>                    fixed and be fixed?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>                    I haven't actually fixed the bug yet, but didn't
>> > >>>                    want to waste time on it if the fix will not
>> > >>>                    travel with the project.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>                    Thanks in advance for any input.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">And I can back that up, now...<div><br></div><div>PasteUpM=
orph cursor=C2=A0 _also_ uses the expandBy: method and has redrawing issues=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Somehow I think morphs are either giving wrong i=
nformation to the the expandBy: method or expandBy: is doing it&#39;s own c=
alculations incorrectly....</div><div><br></div><div>Change the expandBy: t=
o any number and the cursor square will change (use a larger number, btw) a=
nd it will still not erase correctly.=C2=A0 It has a 2 pixel offset, the sa=
me as the thickness of the cursor.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Jeremy Landry =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">So far, with a little testing, everything lines up much b=
etter with .1 instead of removing it.=C2=A0 removing that offset still sees=
 to make it offset, but .1 lines everything up visually more...still not pe=
rfect, but much less flagrant.=C2=A0 It still has a clipping glitch (you ca=
n see it with a rectangle when rotating: the border gets clipped off) but i=
t does visually appear more &#39;solid&#39; and expected when aligning rect=
angular shapes together.<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m going to keep experimen=
ting to find something that keeps the rotated bitmap in tact while still al=
igning properly.=C2=A0 I feel like I probably glanced at a method that need=
s an edit over and over but haven&#39;t realized which one it is yet. I sti=
ll need to look into the cursor not being properly redrawn as well.=C2=A0 I=
 might be stretching or trying to make a connection that isn&#39;t there, b=
ut something &#39;feels&#39; related to this and the cursor, like some comm=
on reference point is being shifted so that the cursor&#39;s area for drawi=
ng doesn&#39;t reach the left and bottom edges just like the origin doesn&#=
39;t reach the left and bottom edges correctly for the this rotation issue.=
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><di=
v class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:37 PM, David T. Lewis <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">lewi=
[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Doe=
s anything bad happen if the &quot;expandBy: 1&quot; is removed? I tried re=
moving it<br>
in my Squeak trunk image, and &quot;CompassDialMorph new openInWorld&quot; =
(which is one<br>
user of TransformationMorph) seems to work nicely.<br>
<br>
And if the &quot;expandBy: 1&quot; is removed in an Etoys image, does anyth=
ing bad happen?<br>
Does it fix the issue that Jeremy is seeing?<br>
<br>
This would be an easy thing to fix in Squeak trunk, which hopefully will be=
come<br>
part of future Etoys releases, knock wood.<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 03:19:54PM -0500, Bob Arning wrote:<br>
&gt; TransformationMorph&gt;&gt;computeBo<wbr>unds<br>
&gt; ?????? self hasSubmorphs ifTrue:<br>
&gt; ?????? ?????? [bounds _ (transform localBoundsToGlobal:<br>
&gt; ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? (Rectangle merging:<br>
&gt; ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? (self submorphs collect: [:m=
 | m<br>
&gt; fullBounds]))) truncated<br>
&gt; ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? expandBy: 1].<br>
&gt; ?????? fullBounds _ bounds.<br>
<span>&gt;<br>
&gt; Note the expandBy: 1<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 3/2/18 1:59 PM, Jeremy Landry wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;Actually to add a little more insight if possible, you can create =
bug<br>
&gt; &gt;with the following actions:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;make a new playfield<br>
&gt; &gt;make 2 new rectangles and place them into the playfield.<br>
&gt; &gt;Rotate one of them 90 degrees.<br>
&gt; &gt;Turn gridding on in the playfield.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;The rotated and unscaled rectangle will not align with the non-rot=
ated<br>
</span>&gt; &gt;one with gridding.?? Something about making a bitmap copy i=
s offsetting<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;the values, my guess is there&#39;s a rounding problem that =
is popping up<br>
&gt; &gt;on these objects, thus scale and rotation get offset for some reas=
on,<br>
&gt; &gt;and specifically changes the origin by 1@-1 somewhere...it causes<=
br>
&gt; &gt;graphical glitches leaving &#39;garbage&#39; with playfield indica=
tors when<br>
&gt; &gt;the object that has the indicator is moved and also shows up with<=
br>
</span>&gt; &gt;rotated ellipses.?? What is the common thread through them =
all??? What<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;method are they all accessing?<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Jeremy Landry &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br>
</span><span>&gt; &gt;&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 You will also notice if you rotate any shape, it bec=
omes a bit<br>
</span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 map.?? Scale it and you will see that problem=
 re-occur even with<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 built-in objects.?? Could it be the masking offset, =
too??? that<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 causes this??? I&#39;m still investigating, but I&#3=
9;m not sure how to<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 step through &#39;already working&#39; things =
specifically related to what<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I&#39;m trying to look at.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Jeremy Landry &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>=
<br>
</span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi, it only appears when scaling a mor=
ph.?? Here is<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 example...it is my belief (how d=
oes one step through code with<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 debugger if there&#39;s no bug happeni=
ng?);<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Whatever code is common that scales mo=
rphs is being offset<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 incorrectly. The first image shows the=
 &#39;garbage&#39; left behind<br>
</span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 by playfield indicator if that =
option is set.?? It seems it was<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 only tested in &#39;holders&#39;=
 and thus likely not picked up during<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &#39;intended&#39; use.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Next, two pictures show scaling as whe=
re the misalignment<br>
</span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 starts.?? This might be why you=
 could not recreate bug;<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 resizing rectangle changes recta=
ngle morph extent, whereas<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 scaling is a differnet piece of code a=
nd therefore different<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 outcome.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
</span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Image included.?? This works wi=
th *anything* scaled.<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://imgur.com/a/6=
zEWq" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://imgur.com/a/6zEWq</a><br=
>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Bob A=
rning<br>
</span><span>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arn=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> &lt;mailto:=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">arning315@comcas=
t.net</a>&gt;<wbr>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I tried to recreate your=
 example and could not. How did<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 you create the two morph=
s in your example? Are you certain<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the read/gray morph does=
 not have some transparent pixels<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 along the top and left?<=
br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 3/2/18 12:50 PM, Jere=
my Landry wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I did a little more =
digging, just for the record...and it<br>
</span>&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 turns out it&=
#39;s scaling error.?? No matter what, scaling<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 offsets morphs by 1@=
-1.?? I&#39;m still looking for where this<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 occurs and why.?? So=
 far, injecting intentionally bad<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 values into bo=
rdered morph and sketch classes hasn&#39;t<br>
</span>&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 produced any =
change.?? It &#39;feels&#39; like most of that code<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 isn&#39;t even=
 used, but then again, I might not have<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 genuinely created a =
new object with that code and system<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 might have been givi=
ng me what was already in system...<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 =
at 7:15 AM, Bert Freudenberg<br>
</span><span>&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">b=
[email protected]</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 That b=
ug tracker is pretty much dead, since all<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ongoin=
g development moved to <a href=3D"http://squeak.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">squeak.org</a><br>
</span>&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 &lt;<a href=3D"http://squeak.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://squeak.org</a>&gt;.<br>
<span>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The pl=
an was to make a new Etoys release based on the<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 latest=
 Squeak source base, but we have not have<br>
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 developer time to make that actually happen.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Bert=
 -<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 1 M=
arch 2018 at 06:03, Nicco Kunzmann (rambler)<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">niccokunzmann@r=
ambler.ru</a><br>
</span><div><div class=3D"m_-1416106533699505376h5">&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">niccokunzmann@rambler.<wbr>ru</=
a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 Hi,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 I found a bug tracker on the squeakland site:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://tracker.squeakland.org/<wbr>secure=
/Dashboard.jspa</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://tracker.squeakland.org<wbr>/se=
cure/Dashboard.jspa</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 I think, you can describe the problem there as an<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 issue and hand in the fix.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 They may also know how to guide you further if<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 the code base is somewhere else.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 If you have problems there (login, no response),<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 I guess, this mailing list is one place to ask<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 for help.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 Best,<br>
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 =C2=A0 Nicco<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 On 03/01/2018 03:34 AM, Jeremy Landry wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi, while working on a project needing precise<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 alignment of sketches/bitmaps and rectangles<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 using playfield &#39;use gridding&#39;, it seems that<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 there&#39;s a difference of detected origin.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Here&#39;s a screenshot with magnifier showing the<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 discrepency.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://imgur.com/a/tcaRu" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://imgur.com/a/tcaRu</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I&#39;m quite certain this bug is the one that<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 causes bad redrawing, especially when showing a<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 cursor move when &#39;indicate cursor&#39; is activated<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 in a playfield.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If I correct this bug inside of a project, will<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 it load into an image where it has not been<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 fixed and be fixed?<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I haven&#39;t actually fixed the bug yet, but didn&#39;t<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 want to waste time on it if the fix will not<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 travel with the project.<br>
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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks in advance for any input.<br>
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