Re: Found Bug But Not Sure How to Proceed To Fix

Bob Arning <[email protected]> Sat, 3 Mar 2018 16:28:07 -0500
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Attached is a hack to keep rotated rectangles (well, most anything 
rotated, but rectangles are were it really shows) all aligning as one 
might expect them. It basically assumes that the bounds have been 
expanded by 1 and scoots the drawing back to the top left when rotated 
by 90, 18 or 270. See if you like it.


On 3/2/18 8:59 PM, Jeremy Landry wrote:
> So far, with a little testing, everything lines up much better with .1 
> instead of removing it.  removing that offset still sees to make it 
> offset, but .1 lines everything up visually more...still not perfect, 
> but much less flagrant.  It still has a clipping glitch (you can see 
> it with a rectangle when rotating: the border gets clipped off) but it 
> does visually appear more 'solid' and expected when aligning 
> rectangular shapes together.
>
> I'm going to keep experimenting to find something that keeps the 
> rotated bitmap in tact while still aligning properly.  I feel like I 
> probably glanced at a method that needs an edit over and over but 
> haven't realized which one it is yet. I still need to look into the 
> cursor not being properly redrawn as well.  I might be stretching or 
> trying to make a connection that isn't there, but something 'feels' 
> related to this and the cursor, like some common reference point is 
> being shifted so that the cursor's area for drawing doesn't reach the 
> left and bottom edges just like the origin doesn't reach the left and 
> bottom edges correctly for the this rotation issue.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:37 PM, David T. Lewis <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Does anything bad happen if the "expandBy: 1" is removed? I tried
>     removing it
>     in my Squeak trunk image, and "CompassDialMorph new openInWorld"
>     (which is one
>     user of TransformationMorph) seems to work nicely.
>
>     And if the "expandBy: 1" is removed in an Etoys image, does
>     anything bad happen?
>     Does it fix the issue that Jeremy is seeing?
>
>     This would be an easy thing to fix in Squeak trunk, which
>     hopefully will become
>     part of future Etoys releases, knock wood.
>
>     Dave
>
>
>     On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 03:19:54PM -0500, Bob Arning wrote:
>     > TransformationMorph>>computeBounds
>     > ?????? self hasSubmorphs ifTrue:
>     > ?????? ?????? [bounds _ (transform localBoundsToGlobal:
>     > ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? (Rectangle merging:
>     > ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? (self submorphs
>     collect: [:m | m
>     > fullBounds]))) truncated
>     > ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? expandBy: 1].
>     > ?????? fullBounds _ bounds.
>     >
>     > Note the expandBy: 1
>     >
>     >
>     > On 3/2/18 1:59 PM, Jeremy Landry wrote:
>     > >Actually to add a little more insight if possible, you can
>     create bug
>     > >with the following actions:
>     > >
>     > >make a new playfield
>     > >make 2 new rectangles and place them into the playfield.
>     > >Rotate one of them 90 degrees.
>     > >Turn gridding on in the playfield.
>     > >
>     > >The rotated and unscaled rectangle will not align with the
>     non-rotated
>     > >one with gridding.?? Something about making a bitmap copy is
>     offsetting
>     > >the values, my guess is there's a rounding problem that is popping up
>     > >on these objects, thus scale and rotation get offset for some
>     reason,
>     > >and specifically changes the origin by 1@-1 somewhere...it causes
>     > >graphical glitches leaving 'garbage' with playfield indicators when
>     > >the object that has the indicator is moved and also shows up with
>     > >rotated ellipses.?? What is the common thread through them
>     all??? What
>     > >method are they all accessing?
>     > >
>     > >On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Jeremy Landry
>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>     > ><mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >    You will also notice if you rotate any shape, it becomes a bit
>     > >    map.?? Scale it and you will see that problem re-occur even
>     with
>     > >    built-in objects.?? Could it be the masking offset, too??? that
>     > >    causes this??? I'm still investigating, but I'm not sure how to
>     > >    step through 'already working' things specifically related to what
>     > >    I'm trying to look at.
>     > >
>     > >    On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Jeremy Landry
>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>     > >    <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >        Hi, it only appears when scaling a morph.?? Here is
>     > >        example...it is my belief (how does one step through code with
>     > >        debugger if there's no bug happening?);
>     > >
>     > >        Whatever code is common that scales morphs is being offset
>     > >        incorrectly. The first image shows the 'garbage' left
>     behind
>     > >        by playfield indicator if that option is set.?? It
>     seems it was
>     > >        only tested in 'holders' and thus likely not picked up during
>     > >        'intended' use.
>     > >
>     > >        Next, two pictures show scaling as where the misalignment
>     > >        starts.?? This might be why you could not recreate bug;
>     > >        resizing rectangle changes rectangle morph extent, whereas
>     > >        scaling is a differnet piece of code and therefore
>     different
>     > >        outcome.
>     > >
>     > >        Image included.?? This works with *anything* scaled.
>     > >        https://imgur.com/a/6zEWq
>     > >
>     > >        On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Bob Arning
>     > >        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>     <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >            I tried to recreate your example and could not. How did
>     > >            you create the two morphs in your example? Are you
>     certain
>     > >            the read/gray morph does not have some transparent
>     pixels
>     > >            along the top and left?
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >            On 3/2/18 12:50 PM, Jeremy Landry wrote:
>     > >>            I did a little more digging, just for the
>     record...and it
>     > >>            turns out it's scaling error.?? No matter what,
>     scaling
>     > >>            offsets morphs by 1@-1.?? I'm still looking for
>     where this
>     > >>            occurs and why.?? So far, injecting intentionally bad
>     > >>            values into bordered morph and sketch classes hasn't
>     > >>            produced any change.?? It 'feels' like most of
>     that code
>     > >>            isn't even used, but then again, I might not have
>     > >>            genuinely created a new object with that code and
>     system
>     > >>            might have been giving me what was already in
>     system...
>     > >>
>     > >>
>     > >>            On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 7:15 AM, Bert Freudenberg
>     > >>            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>     <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>     > >>
>     > >>                That bug tracker is pretty much dead, since all
>     > >>                ongoing development moved to squeak.org
>     <http://squeak.org>
>     > >>                <http://squeak.org>.
>     > >>
>     > >>                The plan was to make a new Etoys release based
>     on the
>     > >>                latest Squeak source base, but we have not have
>     > >>                enough developer time to make that actually
>     happen.
>     > >>
>     > >>                - Bert -
>     > >>
>     > >>                On 1 March 2018 at 06:03, Nicco Kunzmann (rambler)
>     > >>                <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>     > >>                <mailto:[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>     > >>
>     > >>                    Hi,
>     > >>
>     > >>                    I found a bug tracker on the squeakland site:
>     > >> http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa
>     <http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa>
>     > >>                   
>     <http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa
>     <http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa>>
>     > >>
>     > >>                    I think, you can describe the problem
>     there as an
>     > >>                    issue and hand in the fix.
>     > >>                    They may also know how to guide you further if
>     > >>                    the code base is somewhere else.
>     > >>                    If you have problems there (login, no
>     response),
>     > >>                    I guess, this mailing list is one place to ask
>     > >>                    for help.
>     > >>
>     > >>                    Best,
>     > >>                    Nicco
>     > >>
>     > >>
>     > >>                    On 03/01/2018 03:34 AM, Jeremy Landry wrote:
>     > >>>                    Hi, while working on a project needing
>     precise
>     > >>>                    alignment of sketches/bitmaps and rectangles
>     > >>>                    using playfield 'use gridding', it seems that
>     > >>>                    there's a difference of detected origin.
>     > >>>
>     > >>>                    Here's a screenshot with magnifier
>     showing the
>     > >>>                    discrepency.
>     > >>> https://imgur.com/a/tcaRu
>     > >>>
>     > >>>                    I'm quite certain this bug is the one that
>     > >>>                    causes bad redrawing, especially when
>     showing a
>     > >>>                    cursor move when 'indicate cursor' is
>     activated
>     > >>>                    in a playfield.
>     > >>>
>     > >>>                    If I correct this bug inside of a
>     project, will
>     > >>>                    it load into an image where it has not been
>     > >>>                    fixed and be fixed?
>     > >>>
>     > >>>                    I haven't actually fixed the bug yet, but
>     didn't
>     > >>>                    want to waste time on it if the fix will not
>     > >>>                    travel with the project.
>     > >>>
>     > >>>                    Thanks in advance for any input.
>     > >>>
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    <p><font face="Georgia">Attached is a hack to keep rotated
        rectangles (well, most anything rotated, but rectangles are were
        it really shows) all aligning as one might expect them. It
        basically assumes that the bounds have been expanded by 1 and
        scoots the drawing back to the top left when rotated by 90, 18
        or 270. See if you like it.</font><br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/2/18 8:59 PM, Jeremy Landry wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAMYa41my9c1gfLPkdSY8XA2GFJBDO67yA1t8ih67d6o-xA7BHg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org">
      <div dir="ltr">So far, with a little testing, everything lines up
        much better with .1 instead of removing it.  removing that
        offset still sees to make it offset, but .1 lines everything up
        visually more...still not perfect, but much less flagrant.  It
        still has a clipping glitch (you can see it with a rectangle
        when rotating: the border gets clipped off) but it does visually
        appear more 'solid' and expected when aligning rectangular
        shapes together.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I'm going to keep experimenting to find something that
          keeps the rotated bitmap in tact while still aligning
          properly.  I feel like I probably glanced at a method that
          needs an edit over and over but haven't realized which one it
          is yet. I still need to look into the cursor not being
          properly redrawn as well.  I might be stretching or trying to
          make a connection that isn't there, but something 'feels'
          related to this and the cursor, like some common reference
          point is being shifted so that the cursor's area for drawing
          doesn't reach the left and bottom edges just like the origin
          doesn't reach the left and bottom edges correctly for the this
          rotation issue.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:37 PM, David
          T. Lewis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Does
            anything bad happen if the "expandBy: 1" is removed? I tried
            removing it<br>
            in my Squeak trunk image, and "CompassDialMorph new
            openInWorld" (which is one<br>
            user of TransformationMorph) seems to work nicely.<br>
            <br>
            And if the "expandBy: 1" is removed in an Etoys image, does
            anything bad happen?<br>
            Does it fix the issue that Jeremy is seeing?<br>
            <br>
            This would be an easy thing to fix in Squeak trunk, which
            hopefully will become<br>
            part of future Etoys releases, knock wood.<br>
            <br>
            Dave<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 03:19:54PM -0500, Bob Arning wrote:<br>
            &gt; TransformationMorph&gt;&gt;<wbr>computeBounds<br>
            &gt; ?????? self hasSubmorphs ifTrue:<br>
            &gt; ?????? ?????? [bounds _ (transform localBoundsToGlobal:<br>
            &gt; ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? (Rectangle merging:<br>
            &gt; ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? (self
            submorphs collect: [:m | m<br>
            &gt; fullBounds]))) truncated<br>
            &gt; ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? expandBy: 1].<br>
            &gt; ?????? fullBounds _ bounds.<br>
            <span class="">&gt;<br>
              &gt; Note the expandBy: 1<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt; On 3/2/18 1:59 PM, Jeremy Landry wrote:<br>
              &gt; &gt;Actually to add a little more insight if
              possible, you can create bug<br>
              &gt; &gt;with the following actions:<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;make a new playfield<br>
              &gt; &gt;make 2 new rectangles and place them into the
              playfield.<br>
              &gt; &gt;Rotate one of them 90 degrees.<br>
              &gt; &gt;Turn gridding on in the playfield.<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;The rotated and unscaled rectangle will not align
              with the non-rotated<br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;one with gridding.?? Something about making
            a bitmap copy is offsetting<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;the values, my guess is there's a
              rounding problem that is popping up<br>
              &gt; &gt;on these objects, thus scale and rotation get
              offset for some reason,<br>
              &gt; &gt;and specifically changes the origin by 1@-1
              somewhere...it causes<br>
              &gt; &gt;graphical glitches leaving 'garbage' with
              playfield indicators when<br>
              &gt; &gt;the object that has the indicator is moved and
              also shows up with<br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;rotated ellipses.?? What is the common
            thread through them all??? What<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;method are they all accessing?<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Jeremy Landry
              &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a><br>
            </span><span class="">&gt; &gt;&lt;mailto:<a
                href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>&gt;&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;    You will also notice if you rotate any shape,
              it becomes a bit<br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;    map.?? Scale it and you will see that
            problem re-occur even with<br>
            &gt; &gt;    built-in objects.?? Could it be the masking
            offset, too??? that<br>
            &gt; &gt;    causes this??? I'm still investigating, but I'm
            not sure how to<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;    step through 'already working'
              things specifically related to what<br>
              &gt; &gt;    I'm trying to look at.<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;    On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Jeremy
              Landry &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a><br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;    &lt;mailto:<a
              href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>&gt;&gt;
            wrote:<br>
            &gt; &gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;        Hi, it only appears when scaling a morph.??
            Here is<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;        example...it is my belief
              (how does one step through code with<br>
              &gt; &gt;        debugger if there's no bug happening?);<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;        Whatever code is common that scales
              morphs is being offset<br>
              &gt; &gt;        incorrectly. The first image shows the
              'garbage' left behind<br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;        by playfield indicator if that
            option is set.?? It seems it was<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;        only tested in 'holders' and
              thus likely not picked up during<br>
              &gt; &gt;        'intended' use.<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;        Next, two pictures show scaling as where
              the misalignment<br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;        starts.?? This might be why you
            could not recreate bug;<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;        resizing rectangle changes
              rectangle morph extent, whereas<br>
              &gt; &gt;        scaling is a differnet piece of code and
              therefore different<br>
              &gt; &gt;        outcome.<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;        Image included.?? This works with
            *anything* scaled.<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;        <a
                href="https://imgur.com/a/6zEWq" rel="noreferrer"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://imgur.com/a/6zEWq</a><br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;        On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Bob
              Arning<br>
            </span><span class="">&gt; &gt;        &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email protected]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>
              &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:[email protected]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>&gt;<wbr>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;            I tried to recreate your example and
              could not. How did<br>
              &gt; &gt;            you create the two morphs in your
              example? Are you certain<br>
              &gt; &gt;            the read/gray morph does not have
              some transparent pixels<br>
              &gt; &gt;            along the top and left?<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;            On 3/2/18 12:50 PM, Jeremy Landry
              wrote:<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;            I did a little more digging, just
              for the record...and it<br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;&gt;            turns out it's scaling
            error.?? No matter what, scaling<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;            offsets morphs by 1@-1.?? I'm still
            looking for where this<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;            occurs and why.?? So far, injecting
            intentionally bad<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;&gt;            values into bordered
              morph and sketch classes hasn't<br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;&gt;            produced any change.?? It
            'feels' like most of that code<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;&gt;            isn't even used, but
              then again, I might not have<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;            genuinely created a new object
              with that code and system<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;            might have been giving me what
              was already in system...<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;            On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 7:15 AM,
              Bert Freudenberg<br>
            </span><span class="">&gt; &gt;&gt;            &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email protected]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>
              &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:[email protected]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>&gt;&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;                That bug tracker is pretty
              much dead, since all<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;                ongoing development moved to
              <a href="http://squeak.org" rel="noreferrer"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">squeak.org</a><br>
            </span>&gt; &gt;&gt;                &lt;<a
              href="http://squeak.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">http://squeak.org</a>&gt;.<br>
            <span class="">&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;                The plan was to make a new
              Etoys release based on the<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;                latest Squeak source base,
              but we have not have<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;                enough developer time to make
              that actually happen.<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;                - Bert -<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;                On 1 March 2018 at 06:03,
              Nicco Kunzmann (rambler)<br>
              &gt; &gt;&gt;                &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email protected]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a><br>
            </span>
            <div>
              <div class="h5">&gt; &gt;&gt;                &lt;mailto:<a
                  href="mailto:[email protected]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">niccokunzmann@rambler.<wbr>ru</a>&gt;&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    Hi,<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    I found a bug tracker
                on the squeakland site:<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    <a
                  href="http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa"
                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://tracker.squeakland.org/<wbr>secure/Dashboard.jspa</a><br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    &lt;<a
                  href="http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa"
                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://tracker.squeakland.<wbr>org/secure/Dashboard.jspa</a>&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    I think, you can
                describe the problem there as an<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    issue and hand in the
                fix.<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    They may also know how
                to guide you further if<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    the code base is
                somewhere else.<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    If you have problems
                there (login, no response),<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    I guess, this mailing
                list is one place to ask<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    for help.<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    Best,<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    Nicco<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;                    On 03/01/2018 03:34 AM,
                Jeremy Landry wrote:<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    Hi, while working
                on a project needing precise<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    alignment of
                sketches/bitmaps and rectangles<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    using playfield
                'use gridding', it seems that<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    there's a
                difference of detected origin.<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    Here's a screenshot
                with magnifier showing the<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    discrepency.<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    <a
                  href="https://imgur.com/a/tcaRu" rel="noreferrer"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://imgur.com/a/tcaRu</a><br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    I'm quite certain
                this bug is the one that<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    causes bad
                redrawing, especially when showing a<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    cursor move when
                'indicate cursor' is activated<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    in a playfield.<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    If I correct this
                bug inside of a project, will<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    it load into an
                image where it has not been<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    fixed and be fixed?<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    I haven't actually
                fixed the bug yet, but didn't<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    want to waste time
                on it if the fix will not<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    travel with the
                project.<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                    Thanks in advance
                for any input.<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;                   
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