Re: Wiki Up

Hi all,
One important thing to have the VM expressed inside an image is
 that let smalltalkers be "at home" when learning about
 VM architectures.
Squeak VM sources has helped a lot of smalltalkers to start
 understanding the mechanism that make objects work.
It is one of the most valuable attributes of VM inside smalltalk,
 and also has had the effect of making some smalltalkers think
 that it is better to invest time in making better VMs and not
 in trying to surpass the limits imposed by object oriented
 architectures. :-(
Now there is a growing percentage of smalltalkers trying to make
 smalltalk more "object oriented" and trying to make it more
 an more like other OOLs...
Each smalltalk alternative (and each NEW smalltalk alterntaive)
 give us a posibility to innovate again (near 30years after the
 first smalltalk image was run).
I feel that if we put too much efforts in strongtalk with the
 objetive of have Squeak running we will have more smalltalkers
 using the VM, but we will also loose the posibility to make
 something new.
IMHO having a new VM with the same (but more) objects
 like 20years before is not very interesting.
I am not trying to reduce the motivation of anyone,
 I am only trying to share my impressions and a question
 that I couldn´t respond to myself yet:
 what can we do with strongtalk to change something
  in the smalltalk world?
Writing more objects or diferent objects is doing the
 same as usual and is not enough, as we can see reflecting
 on the impact of the last years (more and more people trying
 to use smalltalk as Java or othr OOLs, to put more formalisms
 and trying to have more/better objects written in smalltalk,
 more fractionalism/dialectFanatism of smalltalk subCommunities, ...)
hope it is a little offtopic, but what to know opinions.
with best regards,
Ale.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "stephane ducasse" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Wiki Up


>
> I suggest you to read the 1997 OOPSLA paper by dan ingalls. Because
> it could help you to revise your statement. Debugging a VM within
> Smalltalk is one of the most precious thing to my eyes.
>
> On 4 mai 07, at 06:05, Cafe Alpha wrote:
>
>> I don't think there's any loveliness to Squeak's VM having been
>> written in Smalltalk.  It was a simple hack that was worth very
>> little.  Basically they worked out a very very limited subset of
>> Smalltalk that has C semantics and can be translated to C with a
>> very simple script.  And they did this only because they liked the
>> Smalltalk environment for debugging.
>>
>
>
> > 


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