RE: proposal for how to synchronize Strongtalk source

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> From: [email protected] [mailto:strongtalk-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ted Neward
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: proposal for how to synchronize Strongtalk source
> 
> 
> Go to strongtalk.org for the downloads, I think.
> 

	Thanks for the pointer.

	I went there but the latest release available is 2.0,
	with dated VM and image (Oct 01 and Sep 25, 2006 respectively).

	Few days back, Dave said that he updated the image
	on SVN when he made a release. So it is expected that
	the latest release should be a couple days old.

	Cheers,

	PhiHo

 

> Ted Neward
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:strongtalk-
> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of SmallSqueak
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:48 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: proposal for how to synchronize Strongtalk source
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected] [mailto:strongtalk-
> > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of David Griswold
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:51 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: RE: proposal for how to synchronize Strongtalk source
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:  SmallSqueak
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:07 PM
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Subject: RE: proposal for how to synchronize Strongtalk source
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> > > > > David Griswold
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 5:21 AM
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > Subject: RE: proposal for how to synchronize Strongtalk source
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From:  SmallSqueak
> > > > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 	I am looking at the contents of the archive
> > > > > > 	"sources folder for bootstrapping(must unpack).zip"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 	There are 3 log files:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 	1/- strongtalkchange.log (7,796KB 10/17/2006 1:40PM)
> > > > > > 	2/- strongtalSave.log (1KB 10/17/2006 1;40PM)
> > > > > > 	3/- strongtalkrestore.log (0KB 10/17/2006 1:27PM)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 	1 id file "strongtalksource.id" (1KB 10/17/2006 1:40PM)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 	836 .class files
> > > > > > 	963 no-extension files
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 	Most of the no-extension files have a corresponding file.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 	Would you please explain the relationship between these
> > > files,
> > > > > > 	and what does it mean when a no-extension file does not
> > > have
> > > > > > 	.class counterpart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 	What can one do with these files if there is available
> > > > > a bootstrap
> > > > > > 	image (built from what?) and a latest and greatest VM.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing.  That zip file contains a snapshot of the Strongtalk
> > > > > source code internal directory structure, just so we don't
> > > > > lose it.
> > > >
> > > > 	I am asking this because I noted that when I tried to
> > > > 	"Recompile world..." from the Strongtalk Launcher File
> menu,
> > > > 	I got this from the command prompt console:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Smalltalk Virtual Machine by LongView Technologies LLC
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > (c) 1994-1997 Sun Microsystems, Inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
> > > > Use and distribution of this software is subject to the
> > > > terms of the attached license.
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Version 1.1 (build May  8 2007 19:31:42)
> > > > (use argument -? for a list of flags)
> > > >
> > > > [Reading in strongtalk.bst, n, 0.365 secs]
> > > > Recompiling DeltaPolyProtocolMsgSignature
> > > >
> > > > 	and an "Error: This shouldn't happen" at
> "MixinSourceHandler
> > > > 	on
> > > DeltaPolyProtocolMsgSignature>>sourceForSelector:#'visibility'"
> > > >
> > > > 	"sources folder for bootstrapping(must unpack).zip"
> > > > 	was unpacked and "Recompile world..." looked like this:
> > >
> > > It sounds to me like you haven't actually downloaded and installed
> the
> > > current Strongtalk release.  You can't construct a working system
> just
> > > from
> > > the repository right now, you need to start from the binary
> release,
> > > which
> > > will set up your source directory etc first.  The repository is
> only
> > > used
> > > for building the VM executable right now.  The image and source
> > > directory
> > > etc must come from the release.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Smalltalk Virtual Machine by LongView Technologies LLC
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > (c) 1994-1997 Sun Microsystems, Inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
> > > > Use and distribution of this software is subject to the
> > > > terms of the attached license.
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Version 1.1 (build May  8 2007 19:31:42)
> > > > (use argument -? for a list of flags)
> > > >
> > > > [Reading in strongtalk.bst, n, 0.371 secs]
> > > > Recompiling DeltaPolyProtocolMsgSignature
> > > > [...]
> > > > Recompiling ProtocolOutliner class
> > > > Recompiling Bootstrap
> > > >
> > > > 	and an "Error: This shouldn't happen" at
> "MixinSourceHandler
> > > > 	on
> Bootstrap>>sourceForSelector:#'deterministicallyTestSystem'"
> > > >
> > > > 	Where does this sequence of filing in come from? I looked
> at
> > > various
> > > > 	.gr files and cannot find any of them fitting the above
> sequence.
> > >
> > > That is not filing in, that is recompiling the methods in the image
> > > from the
> > > source in the source database, not from the original source code.
> It
> > > is
> > > happening in hash order.
> > >
> > > > 	BTW, how can I copy the contents of "Error: This shouldn't
> > > happen"
> > > > 	for reporting purpose later on (I am aware that these
> errors are
> > > due
> > > >
> > > > 	to the source synchronizing problem).
> > > >
> > > > > It is not something you generally play around with.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > 	But is crucial for building a new image, isn't it?
> > >
> > > As I've said, you *cannot* bootstrap a new image right now.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > That zip file contains a snapshot of the Strongtalk
> > > > > source code internal directory structure
> > > >
> > > > 	It is much appreciated if you would elaborate.
> > > >
> > > > 	A good understanding of the infra structure would
> > > > 	take a Strongtalk learner a long way.
> > >
> > > The zip file is just a copy of the 'source' subdirectory from the
> > > original
> > > binary release.  It is only there for archival purposes.  If you
> want
> > > to
> > > look at it, install the binary release, which you must do first
> anyway,
> > > and
> > > look at the 'source' directory.
> > >
> > > It sounds like perhaps the documentation isn't clear enough about
> > > having to
> > > install the binary release to get a running system, regardless of
> > > building
> > > the VM.  I'll make a note to clarify the documentation.
> > >
> > > -Dave
> > >
> >
> > 	Sorry again, but I cannot find anything to download from here:
> >
> > 	http://code.google.com/p/strongtalk/downloads/list
> >
> > 	Where can I download the latest release?
> >
> > 	Thanks,
> >
> > 	PhiHo
> >
> >
> >
> > >
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