Re: First impressions
Gilad Bracha <[email protected]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:30:31 -0700
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--0016e647166c61589e04723b3bc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Alban On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, talksmall <[email protected]>wrote: > > On Aug 28, 6:27 pm, albanread <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have just started exploring Strongtalk again and I find the type > > checking features of Strongtalk really helpful; the type checker > > alerts you to silly mistakes when you accept a change. I'm glad you like it. I wish we had had time to finish this work, and capitalize on it (e.g., to provide name completion which we had considered back in the mid-90s). > > > Also the user interface for browsing around the system is really very > > good and easy to understand. There is always a danger with graphical > > interfaces that they will force you to enter text into tiny little > > boxes and prevent you from seeing the bigger picture. > > I think the outliner view avoids that trap while still lending useful > > structure to things. The outliners in Strongtalk were inspired by Self. Again, I'm glad you appreciate them. Since then, we've had the opportunity to evolve the idea a good deal: check out Vassili Bykov's Hopscotch browsers in Newspeak ( http://newspeaklanguage.org). The strength of the outliner approach is that avoids the pain of dealing with many panes and tabs, which you hit in mainstream tools like Eclipse, VisualStudio etc. It's downside is tha the number of windows can get large (just like in the OS' GUI - hence docking bars etc). Hopscotch solves both problems rather nicely. -- Cheers, Gilad --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Strongtalk-general" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/strongtalk-general?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- --0016e647166c61589e04723b3bc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alban<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, t= alksmall <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= m">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd= ing-left:1ex;"> <br> On Aug 28, 6:27=A0pm, albanread <<a href=3D"mailto:albanr...@googlemail.= com">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> > I have just started exploring Strongtalk again and I find the type<br> > checking features of Strongtalk really helpful; =A0the type checker<br= > > alerts you to silly mistakes when you accept a change.</blockquote><di= v><br></div><div>I'm glad you like it. =A0I wish we had had time to fin= ish this work, and capitalize on it (e.g., to provide name completion which= we had considered back in the mid-90s). =A0</div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br> > Also the user interface for browsing around the system is really very<= br> > good and easy to understand. There is always a danger with graphical<b= r> > interfaces that they will =A0force you to enter text into tiny little<= br> > boxes and prevent you from seeing the bigger picture.<br> > I think the outliner view avoids that trap while still lending useful<= br> > structure to things.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>The outliners in = Strongtalk were inspired by Self. =A0Again, I'm glad you appreciate the= m. Since then, we've had the opportunity to evolve the idea a good deal= : check out Vassili Bykov's Hopscotch browsers in Newspeak (<a href=3D"= http://newspeaklanguage.org">http://newspeaklanguage.org</a>).=A0</div> <div><br></div><div>The strength of the outliner approach is that avoids th= e pain of dealing with many panes and tabs, which you hit in mainstream too= ls like Eclipse, VisualStudio etc. It's downside is tha the number of w= indows can get large (just like in the OS' GUI - hence docking bars etc= ). =A0Hopscotch solves both problems rather nicely.</div> <div><br></div></div>-- <br>Cheers, Gilad<br><br> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~<br> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Strongtalk-general" group. <br> To post to this group, send email= to [email protected] <br> To unsubscribe from this group= , send email to [email protected] <br> For mo= re options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/strongtalk-g= eneral?hl=3Den<br> -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---<br> <br> --0016e647166c61589e04723b3bc4--