Re: is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps

Charles,

“Native widgets” are overrated IMHO.

The parcel name is "BackgoundColors" for the 7.x versions

--

Mark

[email protected] wrote:

Actually what my customers do is threaten
to leave us for our competitors since they already provide
what they find to be ubiquitous in other technologies, never
mind internal dev groups which will continue to argue for us
to port away from Smalltalk.

Our customers want new biz features, bugs
fixed, they “expect” for our tech to stay up to date and that
includes aesthetics.

Interestingly , they don’t talk about
“Native widgets” , I think that’s just a narrative some techs
started 😊.

FYI, when I look for that parcel I cannot
find it under the parcel manager :
Directories/contributed/heeg

But do find it under the main menu option
“load parcel named”

From: Nowak, Helge
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dark skin for VW9.1 apps

I am sure, Skins is the way to go.

You can use it as an argument for your
customers to fund the overdue update to the current base
technology of your solutions😉

Cheers

Helge

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K, interesting , thanks, to do this
properly i.e. in a manner that comes close enough to what is
achievable otherwise in other UI technologies , a dark theme
also will care about widget borders etc, so perhaps the 9.1.
skins are fine grained enough for that.

We are still on 7.5, the dark option is
part of the larger migration effort contemplated to get to
9.x

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dark skin for VW9.1 apps

Dear Charles,

you may also look at the
“BackgroundColor” parcel in the “contributed/Heeg”
directory.

HTH

Helge

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No, that doesn’t mean “no”.

It means:

“Dear
customer how much is the value for your customers to have
a dark skin option compared to the other requirements they
have?”

“We will
need to estimate the effort for implementing such an
option.”

“The effort
assessment will last x days and will cost you (x *
dayrate) $s.”

“Once we
have that data you are free to decide what you want most.”

Given that you can define the
background, foreground, selection background, selection
foreground colours individually for a window, an
application wide solution should not be too hard. You may
also look at the implementations of the various “default”
skins.

HTH

Helge

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Just to be very
clear , that means no :) ?

On Mar 15, 2022, 8:35 AM -0400, Nowak,
Helge <[email protected] >,
wrote:

P
= E / T (Price equals effort divided by time)

In
this case:

T = 0

=>

T = ∞

To
be pre-paid, of course 😉

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Anything
that I can just grab and turn on ? as is
possible with most UI frameworks nowadays?

We
are getting complaints from customers who want
this yesterday and want us to spend no time on
it because they have a ton of other stuff they
also want.

Thanks

-Charles