Re: is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps

Looks pretty good , glad for the help, thanks
On Mar 15, 2022, 2:54 PM -0400, Annick Fron <[email protected]>, wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I once had a CustomColor Skin from Cincom that was doing much of the job.
>
> I created my dark skin, I can help you with that.
>
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> > Le 15 mars 2022 à 18:03, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> a écrit :
> >
> > Hi Mark:
> >
> > Hope all is well.
> >
> > Totally agreed , sooo overrated , again I think some tech nerds started a narrative.
> >
> > I was actually looking in vw 9.x , porting the UI there , is for many reasons a chore, got close once , but I have some headless new efforts that have my eyes on VW i.e. as opposed to IDEA and thought I could spend some time again thinking about UI stuff.
> >
> > In anycase I found it.
> >
> > From: mark pirogovsky <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:20 PM
> > To: [email protected]; 'Nowak, Helge' <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [vwnc] is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps
> >
> > Charles,
> > “Native widgets” are overrated IMHO.
> >
> > The parcel name is "BackgoundColors" for the 7.x versions
> >
> >  --
> > Mark
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > > Actually what my customers do is threaten to leave us for our competitors since they already provide what they find to be ubiquitous in other technologies, never mind internal dev groups which will continue to argue for us to port away from Smalltalk.
> > >
> > > Our customers want new biz features, bugs fixed, they “expect” for our tech to stay up to date and that includes aesthetics.
> > > Interestingly , they don’t talk about “Native widgets” , I think that’s just a narrative some techs started 😊.
> > >
> > > FYI, when I look for that parcel I cannot find it under the parcel manager : Directories/contributed/heeg
> > > But do find it under the main menu option “load parcel named”
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Nowak, Helge <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 11:28 AM
> > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> > > Subject: AW: AW: [vwnc] is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps
> > >
> > > I am sure, Skins is the way to go.
> > >
> > > You can use it as an argument for your customers to fund the overdue update to the current base technology of your solutions😉
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Helge
> > >
> > > Helge Nowak
> > > Cincom Smalltalk Technical Account Manager
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> > >
> > > Von: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. März 2022 16:25
> > > An: Nowak, Helge <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> > > Betreff: RE: AW: [vwnc] is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps
> > >
> > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Cincom's email system. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Thanks - If in doubt, contact the Helpdesk at [email protected] or your local IT personnel.
> > >
> > > K, interesting , thanks, to do this properly i.e. in a manner that comes close enough to what is achievable otherwise in other UI technologies , a dark theme also will care about widget borders etc, so perhaps the 9.1. skins are fine grained enough for that.
> > >
> > > We are still on 7.5, the dark option is part of the larger migration effort contemplated to get to 9.x
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Nowak, Helge <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 9:43 AM
> > > To: Nowak, Helge <[email protected]>; Charles Monteiro <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> > > Subject: AW: AW: [vwnc] is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps
> > >
> > > Dear Charles,
> > >
> > > you may also look at the “BackgroundColor” parcel in the “contributed/Heeg” directory.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Helge
> > >
> > > Helge Nowak
> > > Cincom Smalltalk Technical Account Manager
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> > > Cincom Systems GmbH & Co. oHG
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> > > website
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> > > +49 172 74 00 402
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> > > [email protected]
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> > >
> > >
> > > Von: Nowak, Helge <[email protected]>
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. März 2022 13:50
> > > An: Charles Monteiro <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> > > Betreff: AW: [vwnc] is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps
> > >
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> > >
> > > No, that doesn’t mean “no”.
> > >
> > > It means:
> > > “Dear customer how much is the value for your customers to have a dark skin option compared to the other requirements they have?”
> > > “We will need to estimate the effort for implementing such an option.”
> > > “The effort assessment will last x days and will cost you (x * dayrate) $s.”
> > > “Once we have that data you are free to decide what you want most.”
> > >
> > > Given that you can define the background, foreground, selection background, selection foreground colours individually for a window, an application wide solution should not be too hard. You may also look at the implementations of the various “default” skins.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Helge
> > >
> > > Helge Nowak
> > > Cincom Smalltalk Technical Account Manager
> > > <image001.png>
> > > Cincom Systems GmbH & Co. oHG
> > > Humboldtstraße 3
> > > 60318 Frankfurt am Main
> > > GERMANY
> > > office
> > > mobile
> > >
> > > website
> > > email
> > > +49 89 89 66 44 94
> > > +49 172 74 00 402
> > >
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> > > [email protected]
> > > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. -- Albert Einstein
> > > Geschäftsführer/Managing Directors: Thomas M. Nies, Donald E. Vick
> > > oHG mit Sitz/based in Frankfurt am Main (Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main HRA 50297)
> > > Pers. haftender Gesellschafter/Partner liable to unlimited extent:
> > > Cincom Systems Verwaltungsgesellschaft mbH (Amtsgericht Königstein/Ts. HRB 5069)
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> > >
> > >
> > > Von: Charles Monteiro <[email protected]>
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. März 2022 13:40
> > > An: [email protected]; Nowak, Helge <[email protected]>
> > > Betreff: Re: AW: [vwnc] is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps
> > >
> > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Cincom's email system. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Thanks - If in doubt, contact the Helpdesk at [email protected] or your local IT personnel.
> > >
> > > Just to be very clear , that means no :) ?
> > > On Mar 15, 2022, 8:35 AM -0400, Nowak, Helge <[email protected]>, wrote:
> > > > P = E / T (Price equals effort divided by time)
> > > >
> > > > In this case:
> > > >                T = 0
> > > > =>
> > > >                T = ∞
> > > >
> > > > To be pre-paid, of course 😉
> > > >
> > > > Helge Nowak
> > > > Cincom Smalltalk Technical Account Manager
> > > > <image001.png>
> > > > Cincom Systems GmbH & Co. oHG
> > > > Humboldtstraße 3
> > > > 60318 Frankfurt am Main
> > > > GERMANY
> > > > office
> > > > mobile
> > > >
> > > > website
> > > > email
> > > > +49 89 89 66 44 94
> > > > +49 172 74 00 402
> > > >
> > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.cincomsmalltalk.com__;!!DZ3fjg!tYo6A1ufhzAUhBQVwNzi_52XjE8bsG7NTvYUWdzJmscb8ybM5bye_3Xuv44LzDAtjbfNFsI$ 
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. -- Albert Einstein
> > > > Geschäftsführer/Managing Directors: Thomas M. Nies, Donald E. Vick
> > > > oHG mit Sitz/based in Frankfurt am Main (Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main HRA 50297)
> > > > Pers. haftender Gesellschafter/Partner liable to unlimited extent:
> > > > Cincom Systems Verwaltungsgesellschaft mbH (Amtsgericht Königstein/Ts. HRB 5069)
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Von: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. März 2022 13:27
> > > > An: [email protected]
> > > > Betreff: [vwnc] is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps
> > > >
> > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Cincom's email system. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Thanks - If in doubt, contact the Helpdesk at [email protected] or your local IT personnel.
> > > >
> > > > Anything that I can just grab and turn on ? as is possible with most UI frameworks nowadays?
> > > > We are getting complaints from customers who want this yesterday and want us to spend no time on it because they have a ton of other stuff they also want.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > -Charles
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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