Re: is there a plug and play dark skin for VW9.1 apps

Hey Maarten, are you utilizing the SourceCodeTheme support to determine colors for your components?  I made a first stab at it to see if it was possible…the bottom line is that the SourceCodeThemes loose information related to the original color scheme of the theme.  For example, SourceCodeTheme class>>eightiesDark does not contain the original list of colors from which the source code styling was derived.  So, what I did was create a UITheme class that mimics some of what SourceCodeTheme does but targeted at the rest of the UI components.  The idea is that if the user changes the source code theme in the settings tool, it would be nice if the entire UI reflected that change (why would you want a light source code editor in a dark theme?).

Anyway, to call this effort “started" would be exaggerating its progress but if you’d like to meet to see if we can merge efforts, let me know.

Best,

David

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:53 AM, Maarten Mostert <[email protected]> wrote:
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> I am making progress Charles, 
> 
> I correctly pinned it under the Windows Emulated skin now.
> But there is still a whole lot of details to deal with.
> Give me some time.
> 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6atqnky3nnd16q/screenDarSKin2.png?dl=0__;!!DZ3fjg!t8r5vgT4uISuHNOFuVbgkwFwFF29MFrzvzq_vIyS8--lnRwC4Bst2SLc0RSjWz8XAkD0EQA$  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6atqnky3nnd16q/screenDarSKin2.png?dl=0__;!!DZ3fjg!vvmTHtbiPL_qzhUCWIl25HtWaf3-qC-TtCcn3QIvzZprr-FRIvomAgt-KI4n3p3uM4e32dw$>
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> Btw. Your link is great, 
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> Maarten,
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> 
>> On 16 Mar 2022, at 16:59, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Maarten:
>>  
>> Softer on the eye than stock for sure, although obviously there are still readability issues as per your pic.
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>> To be clear, by dark mode what I mean is what is prescribed by Material Design principles , dark mode can be based on any “darkish” color other than black , specifically what is documented here: 
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>> Dark theme - Material Design <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://material.io/design/color/dark-theme.html__;!!DZ3fjg!rH43HffdWZVydn8s7nu6nJ5uUG3XNXEu1DRJbgxSAxje8FmoMIMkNXD5dLwErhKMaH_8Nao$>
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>> Getting something that is at least close to this would be great and really not something that any individual VW customer should have to do i.e. given how prevalent and free these types of UI tech are e.g. JS, Flutter , Python KivyMD, JavaFX and that’s just mentioning the ones that I have actually built apps with.
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>> It would be particular helpful for us especially in our sales process.
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>> I happen to think that VW’s widget set looks pretty good, there are some widgets that would be nice to have but its overall complete enough and we have tweaked in what was not there and I do mean in 9.x .
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>> What is missing (for now)  is a competent, serious, professional dark theme.
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>> There’s of course the option to diversify the tech stack a bit and use something like Python KivyMD to create thin , dumb but pretty UI clients and with very smart Smalltalk counterparts. 
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>> There might be valued added there since those ecosystems are richer in analytic and visualization libraries in general. If its done just right I won’t miss my debugger as much 😊
>>  
>> Let’s get on that balloon and look around 😊
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>>> Anything that I can just grab and turn on ? as is possible with most UI frameworks nowadays?
>>> We are getting complaints from customers who want this yesterday and want us to spend no time on it because they have a ton of other stuff they also want.
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>>> Thanks
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>>> -Charles
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