Re: Digital Twin applied to Software

I'd like to say that I agree with Andre's comments and say that we cannot
overemphasize last paragraph of Dec, 4h (2 h ago from this reply) message:

« I should maybe note that C++20 is lightyears ahead of older standards and
much of what made C++ a PITA back in the day is no longer relevant today. »

Also, it is a perhaps 30+ years experience with a (then commercial product)
library for the earlier days C++ which emulated the rich (vis a vis that
time *coeteris paribus*) collection classes from Smalltalk.

About CLion I say that history shows that the now famed Eclipse came from
Visual Age (which had a Smalltalk and then a Java version), so we probably
could inject this on them, but the question seems to be why they don't feel
the need:

my 0.019999....

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Cesar Rabak


On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 4:31 PM andre <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Eliot,
>
> > In your team maybe :-)
>
> I was talking about the base images and packages, not our own.
>
> > C++ does nothing to fix these issues either
>
> Oh, it does a lot of things. Most importantly, it refuses to even compile
> incomplete or mismatched code. It enforces consistency reaching into
> transitive depths that no human is able to forsee or keep track of manually
> (types, immutability, ownership, etc). Some cryptic error message may make
> you scratch your head, but it never misses a thing.
>
> Smalltalk silently swallows everything and keeps you in the dark until its
> too late. Small shops simply cant afford to add manpower only to maintain a
> level of consistency that C++ has already built in. With a complex UI, unit
> tests also have limits. Unless you can afford to spend more time testing
> than developing. And if so, where's the productivity advantage?
>
> The problem is not "old hands" vs. impatient newbies. It's lack of formal
> support from the language when you need it (if you need it).
>
> I should maybe note that C++20 is lightyears ahead of older standards and
> much of what made C++ a PITA back in the day is no longer relevant today.
>
> Andre
>
>