Re: Opinions of XUL Progress

Paul,

I agree with your points wholeheartedly.  But I would like to point out 
that "open xul alliance" is probably the wrong place to look for hope 
for advancement in xul.  All the arguments on the usage of the term 
"xul" aside, nobody here seems to be interested in implementing xul.

On the other hand, the mozilla community is very active in discussing, 
experimenting and prototyping various enhancements to xul to make it a 
viable cross platform alternative to xaml.  A group of us have been 
pitching this very idea (using xul+xbl+svg as a response to xaml) to the 
mozilla foundation for a while and the foundation has responded very 
positively (see 
http://www.mozilla.org/events/dev-day-feb-2004/mozilla-futures/title.html 
and http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article4584.html).  Even an 
ecplise based ide was proposed.

I'll email you off list to share some more details and hopefully 
rekindle your hope for xul.

Best,

George


Paul Prescod wrote:

> I am about to unsubscribe from the list. Gerald asked me for my advice 
> of where the group should go in comparison to my advice a year ago.
> 
> The truth is that at this point I've pretty much lost hope. A year (or 
> two or three) ago I hoped that XUL would emerge as the full-app 
> equivalent for XHTML. Just as I can now code a web page and have it work 
> seamlessly in five or six different browsers (as long as it doesn't go 
> too crazy with browser-specific stuff) I hoped that I would be able to 
> create a XUL interface and have it work in all of those browsers and 
> also on standard open source desktops.
> 
> Unfortunately, the Open XUL alliance has done nothing to advance that 
> goal. Rather, it has made it less likely by rebranding "XUL" as any XML 
> interface language. Any marketing guru will tell you that you never want 
> to confuse your market that way. (remember Microsoft's .NET debacle?)
> 
> In 2003 my vision was that by the end of 2004 there would be a clear 
> movement towards a unified, standardized XUL that would trounce 
> Microsoft's Winforms GUI. Instead, Microsoft will have a unified XAML 
> and the open source world will have its current chaos. The open source 
> world had the XUL idea back in the late 1990s but has waited six years 
> for Microsoft to "standardize" it. Now the world will see XAML as a 
> Microsoft innovation which will be copied by the open source world. (I 
> am confident that we will be forced to standardize to compete)
> 
> I'll never understand why we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
> 
>  Paul Prescod
> 
> 
> 
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