Re: Michael Gloegls (of Team Hibernate) on XUL

Hi everybody,

thanks for the reply to my little rant :)

> Well, if Michael thinks it doesn't matter if your UI
> is using Java or XML I challenge you to recreate your
> blog story page using Java Swing and see if you can
> match the (X)HTML+CSS combo.

At first, my post was not intended to bash XUL in any way (maybe a 
little :) it just was my example because it was the thing that came up 
in that particular discussion. I just wanted to refute the argument that 
just because something is in XML it is not necessarily easier to handle 
- especially not regarding the "multiple paralell versions" problem.

>   If you're still not convinced why not try to
> recreate lets say the Amazon.com frontpage using Java
> Swing online @ http://www.amazon.com for some more
> insight? Or why do you think is Sun's frontpage @
> http://www.sun.com not a full-page Java applet?

Well, has anybody done that with XUL yet? I really don't know. I have 
not much XUL experience, which I freely admit. But I suspect (like it 
always is) that easier usage comes with reduced flexibility, not just 
because one is Java and the other XML. So I'd be really interested to 
see an Application using things like heavily customized JLists or 
JTrees, or one of the other Components that make Swing so complex. I 
doubt it would be much easier or understandable than the equivalent 
Swing code.

I see the usage possiblities of things like XUL, Thinlets and such. But 
I still see a lot of cases where you need the huge possibilities Swing 
has to offer.

>   Do you see why Java is irrelevant and why a
> REST-style XML format beats an API anytime?

If you wouldn't hand out such extreme and IMHO untrue comments, probably 
XUL would gain more acceptance.

Greetings, Michael


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