Re: unicode character has 5 digits
"John Selverian" <[email protected]> Tue, 8 Jul 2025 08:40:51 -0400
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I try this:
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const FXString UnicodeXmlHTMLSpecialChars::UNICODE_SUBSCRIPT_y_SYMBOL =
=3D unescape("\U0001E05F");
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and=20
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const FXString UnicodeXmlHTMLSpecialChars::UNICODE_SUBSCRIPT_y_SYMBOL =
=3D \U0001E05F";
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IN both cases I get this warning on compiling in VS2022:
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=E2=80=9Cwarning C4566: character represented by =
universal-character-name '\U0001E05F' cannot be represented in the =
current code page (1252)=E2=80=9D
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and it displays as =E2=80=98??=E2=80=99 in all fonts I try.
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From: Roland Hughes via Foxgui-users =
<[email protected]>=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2025 4:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Foxgui-users] unicode character has 5 digits
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Please define "Does not work."
Do you get a compilation error?
Just not see the character?
What OS are you on?
I haven't coded with Fox in years, but . . . when it comes to Unicode, =
the first thing you have to do is ensure the font you are using actually =
has the character represented. Most fonts only have a tiny subset.
Here is an ancient discussion about finding which fonts have what =
character
https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/63283/how-to-find-brows=
e-fonts-that-include-certain-rare-characters-unicode-internat
a 4 year old discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/Unicode/comments/l3a3t8/what_font_renders_all_un=
icode_characters/
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A bit of barefoot in the snow for you
We should have forced all countries to use American English just so =
software developers would have an easier life. Internationalization is =
where it all went to Hell. Those who are long in the tooth (or now =
toothless) will remember wide characters.
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/cpp/wide-char-and-library-functions-in-c/
This was it!!! Instead of 256 ASCII values we could now have 65536. =
That would rule the world! Please read point 2 at the top of that. =
wchar_t could be 2 or 4 bytes DEPENDING ON COMPILER USED. Data exchange =
was basically impossible.
Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, cough cough hack hack, basically got =
trapped here. They are still trapped here today. Under the hood they =
went with the first cut of UTF-16 to avoid having to do multiple value =
characters like UTF-8 forced. In theory it was faster. Keep in mind =
Windows 3.10 was running no 286 computers so 16-bit at the time.
https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D38718
Still we could not get the population to engage in global nuclear =
warfare and force it to use the one true language, American English, =
where we could make do with good ole ASCII and those wonderful code =
pages. Especially since IBM still thwarts the universe today with EBCDIC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page
Guess what?
Instead of subjugating all others via global warfare, they chose to =
promote peace and love, forming a committee churning out an ever larger =
elephant when the world wanted a mouse. Like all committees, it lacked =
any real industry knowledge. All they ever had was an x86 so that must =
be all that exists.
Read up on surrogates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16#U+D800_to_U+DFFF_(surrogates)
Pay attention to the BE (Big Endian) and LE (Little Endian) columns. IBM =
and AMDAL (sp?) are Big Endian. Despite Unisys switching to Intel =
processors they are still ones complement.
Now, we had a fine fine pickle brine.
The x86 and ARM world needed to support itty bitty embedded systems =
having 512MB or less of RAM (think universal remote control for your TV) =
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__AND__=20
we now had to be able to indicate the width of a constant.
The one true world where everything fit into a single 16-bit box was =
gone!
There is oceans of documentation and legacy code examples out there =
where \u is always used for unicode.
So now, C programmers, who've never touched a shift key in their life, =
had to use \U
Just wait for the hack they come up with when the benevolent committee =
lacking industry knowledge bloats UTF past 32.
UTF-64 is already taken.
https://utf64.moreplease.com/
On 7/7/2025 8:27 PM, John Selverian wrote:
I=E2=80=99ve used Unicode successfully in the past. For instance for a =
subscripted =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 I used:
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UNICODE_SUBSCRIPT_t_SYMBOL =3D unescape("\\u209c <file://u209c> ");
=20
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I want to now use a subscripted =E2=80=98y=E2=80=99 and found this:
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IE05F
CYRILLIC SUBSCRIPT SMALL LETTER U
<sub> 0443 y
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But this code:=20
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unescape(\\u1E05F <file://u1E05F> )
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Does not work. How do I encode a Unicode character with a 5 digit code?
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Kind regards,
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js
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>I =
try this:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>con=
st FXString UnicodeXmlHTMLSpecialChars::UNICODE_SUBSCRIPT_y_SYMBOL =3D =
unescape("\U0001E05F");<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>and=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>con=
st FXString UnicodeXmlHTMLSpecialChars::UNICODE_SUBSCRIPT_y_SYMBOL =3D =
\U0001E05F";<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>IN =
both cases I get this warning on compiling in =
VS2022:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>=E2=
=80=9Cwarning C4566: character represented by universal-character-name =
'\U0001E05F' cannot be represented in the current code page =
(1252)=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>and=
it displays as =E2=80=98??=E2=80=99 in all fonts I =
try.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt;mso-ligatures:none'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt;mso-ligatures:none'> Roland Hughes via Foxgui-users =
<[email protected]> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
July 8, 2025 4:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email protected]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Foxgui-users] =
unicode character has 5 digits<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Please define "Does not =
work."<span =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p>Do you get a =
compilation error?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Just not see the =
character?<o:p></o:p></p><p>What OS are you on?<o:p></o:p></p><p>I =
haven't coded with Fox in years, but . . . when it comes to Unicode, the =
first thing you have to do is ensure the font you are using actually has =
the character represented. Most fonts only have a tiny =
subset.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Here is an ancient discussion about finding =
which fonts have what character<o:p></o:p></p><p><a =
href=3D"https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/63283/how-to-fi=
nd-browse-fonts-that-include-certain-rare-characters-unicode-internat">ht=
tps://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/63283/how-to-find-browse-=
fonts-that-include-certain-rare-characters-unicode-internat</a><o:p></o:p=
></p><p>a 4 year old discussion<o:p></o:p></p><p><a =
href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/Unicode/comments/l3a3t8/what_font_render=
s_all_unicode_characters/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Unicode/comments/l3a3=
t8/what_font_renders_all_unicode_characters/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p><p>A bit of barefoot in the snow for =
you<o:p></o:p></p><p>We should have forced all countries to use American =
English just so software developers would have an easier life. =
Internationalization is where it all went to Hell. Those who are long in =
the tooth (or now toothless) will remember wide =
characters.<o:p></o:p></p><p><a =
href=3D"https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/cpp/wide-char-and-library-functions=
-in-c/">https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/cpp/wide-char-and-library-functions=
-in-c/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>This was it!!! Instead of 256 ASCII =
values we could now have 65536. That would rule the world! Please read =
point 2 at the top of that. wchar_t could be 2 or 4 bytes =
DEPENDING ON COMPILER USED. Data exchange was basically =
impossible.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, cough =
cough hack hack, basically got trapped here. They are still trapped here =
today. Under the hood they went with the first cut of UTF-16 to avoid =
having to do multiple value characters like UTF-8 forced. In theory it =
was faster. Keep in mind Windows 3.10 was running no 286 computers so =
16-bit at the time.<o:p></o:p></p><p><a =
href=3D"https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D38718">https:=
//www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D38718</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>=
Still we could not get the population to engage in global nuclear =
warfare and force it to use the one true language, American English, =
where we could make do with good ole ASCII and those wonderful code =
pages. Especially since IBM still thwarts the universe today with =
EBCDIC<o:p></o:p></p><p><a =
href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page">https://en.wikipedia.org=
/wiki/Code_page</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>Guess =
what?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Instead of subjugating all others via global =
warfare, they chose to promote peace and love, forming a committee =
churning out an ever larger elephant when the world wanted a mouse. Like =
all committees, it lacked any real industry knowledge. All they ever had =
was an x86 so that must be all that exists.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Read up on =
surrogates<o:p></o:p></p><p><a =
href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16#U+D800_to_U+DFFF_(surrogates=
)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16#U+D800_to_U+DFFF_(surrogates)</a>=
<o:p></o:p></p><p>Pay attention to the BE (Big Endian) and LE (Little =
Endian) columns. IBM and AMDAL (sp?) are Big Endian. Despite Unisys =
switching to Intel processors they are still ones =
complement.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Now, we had a fine fine pickle =
brine.<o:p></o:p></p><p>The x86 and ARM world needed to support itty =
bitty embedded systems having 512MB or less of RAM (think universal =
remote control for your =
TV) <o:p></o:p></p><p>__AND__ <o:p></o:p></p><p>we now =
had to be able to indicate the width of a constant.<o:p></o:p></p><p>The =
one true world where everything fit into a single 16-bit box was =
gone!<o:p></o:p></p><p>There is oceans of documentation and legacy code =
examples out there where \u is always used for =
unicode.<o:p></o:p></p><p>So now, C programmers, who've never touched a =
shift key in their life, had to use \U<o:p></o:p></p><p>Just wait for =
the hack they come up with when the benevolent committee lacking =
industry knowledge bloats UTF past 32.<o:p></o:p></p><p>UTF-64 is =
already taken.<o:p></o:p></p><p><a =
href=3D"https://utf64.moreplease.com/">https://utf64.moreplease.com/</a><=
o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/7/2025 8:27 PM, John =
Selverian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:windowtext;mso-ligatures:none'><img border=3D0 =
width=3D31 height=3D31 style=3D'width:.3229in;height:.3229in' =
id=3D"Picture_x0020_1" =
src=3D"cid:[email protected]"></span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:windowtext;mso-ligatures:none'><o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>I=E2=
=80=99ve used Unicode successfully in the past. For instance for a =
subscripted =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 I used:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>UNI=
CODE_SUBSCRIPT_t_SYMBOL =3D unescape("<a =
href=3D"file://u209c">\\u209c</a>");</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>I =
want to now use a subscripted =E2=80=98y=E2=80=99 and found =
this:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>IE0=
5F</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>CYR=
ILLIC SUBSCRIPT SMALL LETTER U</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'><=
;sub> 0443 y</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>But=
this code: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>une=
scape(<a href=3D"file://u1E05F">\\u1E05F</a>)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>Doe=
s not work. How do I encode a Unicode character with a 5 digit =
code?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext;mso-=
ligatures:none'>Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext;mso-=
ligatures:none'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;color:windowtext;mso-=
ligatures:none'>js</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:windowtext;mso-ligatures:none'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p>=
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