Re: CTI heads-up

On Jul  9, 2026, "Carlos O'Donell" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 7/6/26 9:55 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote:

>> doesn't make the move a very attractive proposition.

> I disagree with your conclusion.

Of course you do.  But you don't dispute the premise of the
(conditional) conclusion:

>> if you want to argue it's the same, having to pay now to move to a
>> service level we used to get without charge 9 years ago, from a service
>> that is even better now than it used to be then,

... so your disagreement doesn't carry any convincing weigh whatsoever.

> I disagree that it has been "without charge."

Now, now, twisting words like that is dishonest.

I didn't say or even suggest that nobody was paying for it.

I wrote "we used to get wihtout charge".  That means *we*, the
community, were not paying for it.

The hosting service providers got donations from sponsors and
volunteers, and could largely choose how to apply those contributions.
We as a community got the result of those donations and efforts, without
charge.

Surely you don't disagree with that, you only disagree with the strawman.


Now, sure, getting stable funding so that we could choose how to spend
on our hosting would be good.  But that's not on the table.

What's on the table is fake stable funding that's conditioned to our
handing the money back to the donor organization for it to render the
services under its own control.

We'd get no better off, and we'd get a pretty serious new dependency.

And we'd at the very best get the sort of service that got this thread
started.

Of course you'll disagree.  Instead of handwaving disagreement, please
focus on disputing the arguments that lead to the conclusion.  It would
make the discussion a lot more productive than unconvincing restating of
politicians' electoral promises of a wonderful world if only they get
our vote.

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