Re: Claude AI code audit of GNUstep core stack — 1 50 fixes, 12 perf optimizations, all available for upstream

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All,

What your post does, I suspect without intending to, is illustrate a major
part of the issue I'm trying to address.

Making accusations that people are using AI damages trust between
contributors.  Any policy that produces false positives harms honest
contributors. Before adopting such a policy, we should ask whether we have
a reliable, objective way to distinguish AI-assisted code from
human-written code. If we do not, then the policy risks penalizing exactly
the people who are following the rules we put in place.

If you're speaking about the "Language Log" citation, it wasn't a mistake. =
 I
included that link because it discusses Chomsky=E2=80=99s views on AI more =
broadly
and provides some context.  The substance of my argument relies on the
other references.  My earlier confusion was based on the fact that I feel
as though all of them were relevant.

Also, I would encourage people to actually read the material
cited, contrary to what the above post suggests.  They are very informative
with respect to what we are discussing, and are thoughtful criticisms of
Chomsky's position.

Indeed, I think this exchange also reinforces my broader point: we should
be careful about drawing conclusions based on assumptions. That=E2=80=99s t=
rue of
citations, and it=E2=80=99s equally true of contributors=E2=80=99 developme=
nt workflows.
Yours, GC

On Sun, Jul 12, 2026 at 4:48=E2=80=AFAM Fred Kiefer <[email protected]> wro=
te:

> To save others the effort of reading that text: I think the second of you=
r
> citations is completely unrelated to the discussion here. The other two a=
re
> really interesting.
> And I wont speculate on how you came up with that wrong link :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Fred
>
> > Am 12.07.2026 um 00:57 schrieb Gregory Casamento <
> [email protected]>:
> >
> > The following citations support my argument:
> > Mitchell, M., & Wu, X. (2026). LLMs, reasoning and plagiarism. arXiv.
> https://arxiv.org/html/2601.02380v5
> > Liberman, M. (2026). Chomsky and the origins of AI research. Language
> Log. https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3D72547
> > Del=C3=A9tang, G. (2023). What Noam Chomsky gets wrong about AI. MLPowe=
red.
> https://www.mlpowered.com/posts/chomsky-gets-wrong/
>
>

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Gregory Casamento
GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac=
e,monospace">All,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:monospace,monospace"><span style=3D"background-color:transparent">W=
hat your=C2=A0post does, I suspect without intending to, is illustrate a ma=
jor part of the issue I&#39;m trying to=C2=A0address.</span></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">Making =
accusations that people are using AI damages trust between contributors.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0<span style=3D"background-color:transparent">Any policy that produ=
ces false positives harms honest contributors. Before adopting such a polic=
y, we should ask whether we have a reliable, objective way to distinguish A=
I-assisted code from human-written code. If we do not, then the policy risk=
s penalizing exactly the people who are following the rules we put in place=
.</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,m=
onospace"><span style=3D"background-color:transparent"><br></span></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><span style=3D"background-color:transp=
arent"><font face=3D"monospace, monospace">If you&#39;re speaking about the=
 &quot;Language Log&quot; citation, it wasn&#39;t a mistake.=C2=A0</font><f=
ont face=3D"monospace">=C2=A0</font></span><span style=3D"background-color:=
transparent"><font face=3D"monospace">I included that link because it discu=
sses Chomsky=E2=80=99s views on AI more broadly and provides some context.=
=C2=A0 The substance of my argument relies on the other references.=C2=A0 M=
y earlier confusion was based on the fact that I feel as though all of them=
 were relevant.</font></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"">=
<span style=3D"background-color:transparent"><font face=3D"monospace"><br><=
/font></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color:transparent"><font face=3D"monospace">Also, I would encoura=
ge people to actually read the material cited,=C2=A0contrary to what the ab=
ove post=C2=A0suggests.=C2=A0 They are very informative with respect to wha=
t we are discussing, and are thoughtful criticisms of Chomsky&#39;s positio=
n.</font></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:mon=
ospace,monospace"><p class=3D"gmail-p1">Indeed, I think this exchange also =
reinforces my broader point: we should be careful about drawing conclusions=
 based on assumptions. That=E2=80=99s true of citations, and it=E2=80=99s e=
qually true of contributors=E2=80=99 development workflows.</p></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace"><span styl=
e=3D"background-color:transparent">Yours, GC</span></div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Sun, Jul 12, 2026 at 4:48=E2=80=AFAM Fred Kiefer &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">To save others the effort of reading=
 that text: I think the second of your citations is completely unrelated to=
 the discussion here. The other two are really interesting.<br>
And I wont speculate on how you came up with that wrong link :-)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Fred<br>
<br>
&gt; Am 12.07.2026 um 00:57 schrieb Gregory Casamento &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&g=
t;:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The following citations support my argument:<br>
&gt; Mitchell, M., &amp; Wu, X. (2026). LLMs, reasoning and plagiarism. arX=
iv. <a href=3D"https://arxiv.org/html/2601.02380v5" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://arxiv.org/html/2601.02380v5</a><br>
&gt; Liberman, M. (2026). Chomsky and the origins of AI research. Language =
Log. <a href=3D"https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3D72547" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3D7254=
7</a><br>
&gt; Del=C3=A9tang, G. (2023). What Noam Chomsky gets wrong about AI. MLPow=
ered. <a href=3D"https://www.mlpowered.com/posts/chomsky-gets-wrong/" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mlpowered.com/posts/chomsky-g=
ets-wrong/</a><br>
<br>
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=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_s=
ignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font fac=
e=3D"monospace">Gregory Casamento<br>GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, =
Principal Consultant<br><a href=3D"http://www.gnustep.org" target=3D"_blank=
">http://www.gnustep.org</a> - <a href=3D"http://heronsperch.blogspot.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://heronsperch.blogspot.com</a><br></font></div></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#888888" face=3D"monospace"><a href=3D"htt=
ps://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c</a></font><=
/div></div></div></div>

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