Re: discussion: GNUstep developer tools as AppImage?
[email protected] Tue, 26 May 2026 17:24:15 +0100
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--Apple-Mail=_6A1DA1DA-728A-46CD-BD2E-7CB6E1C40344 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yes that=E2=80=99s an option, but a lot of the requirements are the same = (objc runtime, base, gui, back, the helper tools, the config file etc) = so there=E2=80=99s also value in having a shared process that all apps = can opt into. I don=E2=80=99t know that gnustep-make is the right place = for this, but it has some useful attributes. Another option is to use = one of the other =E2=80=9Cpackaging=E2=80=9D outputs like deb and then a = package converter to build the AppImage. Cheers, Graham. > On 26 May 2026, at 17:18, Joseph Maloney <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > That's really cool. I wonder if it would make more sense to make a = reusable workflow that could apply to specific repos like apps-easydiff, = apps-projectcenter, apps-gorm instead of tools-make though? That way = you just go to those repos, get the appimages, etc. >=20 > Joseph Maloney >=20 > Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> secure email. >=20 > On Tuesday, May 26th, 2026 at 11:12 AM, [email protected] = <[email protected]> wrote: >> HI all, >>=20 >> I used some time today to prototype this in GNUstep make, and = successfully built a portable image of EasyDiff: >>=20 >> https://github.com/gnustep/tools-make/pull/70 >>=20 >> I think lots of caveats (documented in the PR description), but it = basically works. It would be nice to have CI that builds non-flattened = AppImages that work on multiple architectures, for example. >>=20 >> Best wishes, >>=20 >> Graham. >>=20 >>> On 25 May 2026, at 12:37, [email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]> via Discussion list for the = GNUstep programming environment <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>>> Am 25.05.2026 um 10:41 schrieb Riccardo Mottola = <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>: >>>>=20 >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> [email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]> via Discussion list for the = GNUstep programming environment wrote: >>>>> I think, GNUstep needs lower hurdles for entering our ecosystem = and so I had the thought =E2=80=9EWhat if we distribute the GNUstep dev = tools as AppImage?=E2=80=9C, e.g. bundling everything needed (basic = GNUstep installation; compiler, linker, make; Gorm.app and = ProjectCenter.app; some example code) into an AppImage like PikoPixel = did, so that our App can be run everywhere AppImages are supported. >>>>>=20 >>>>> What do you think about the idea, would it help our cause? >>>>>=20 >>>>> What would be the prerequisites for such an attempt? >>>>>=20 >>>>> How much work would it be? >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I don't know about AppImages but GNUstep supports packing = everything into a single directory containing Application, frameworks, = themes, preferences into a single folder. >>>>=20 >>>> It is useful to ship a single application with its environment, I = use it with success on windows and have scripts for that. Very = convenient. >>>> Theoretically it can also contain more than one app. >>>>=20 >>>> It is instead not very smart having several directories for each = app, since that way you have multiple runtime installations and running = them in concurrency may cause issues (beyond space waste). I don't know = how AppImages would handle this. >>>=20 >>> I mentioned AppImages because those are a recognized way to = distribute apps f=C3=BCr Linux (and BSD? I don=E2=80=99t know). Yeah, = they somewhat reinvented the wheel after OpenSteps app bundle, but they = still seem to be the way commonly used. Please correct me if I am wrong.=20= >>>=20 >>> Despite all this I am off course open to other but similar easy ways = to distribute (binary) apps to users. >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -R >>>=20 >>> kind regards, >>>=20 >>> Lars >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6A1DA1DA-728A-46CD-BD2E-7CB6E1C40344 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html aria-label=3D"message body"><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" = content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body = style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = line-break: after-white-space;">Yes that=E2=80=99s an option, but a lot = of the requirements are the same (objc runtime, base, gui, back, the = helper tools, the config file etc) so there=E2=80=99s also value in = having a shared process that all apps can opt into. I don=E2=80=99t know = that gnustep-make is the right place for this, but it has some useful = attributes. Another option is to use one of the other =E2=80=9Cpackaging=E2= =80=9D outputs like deb and then a package converter to build the = AppImage.<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Graham.<br = id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div>On 26 May 2026, at 17:18, Joseph Maloney = <[email protected]> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style=3D"font-family: = Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">That's really cool. I wonder = if it would make more sense to make a reusable workflow that could apply = to specific repos like apps-easydiff, apps-projectcenter, apps-gorm = instead of tools-make though? That way you just go to those repos, = get the appimages, etc.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, = sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: = Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Joseph Maloney</div><div = style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div> <div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" = class=3D"protonmail_signature_block"> <div class=3D"protonmail_signature_block-user = protonmail_signature_block-empty"> =20 </div> =20 <div class=3D"protonmail_signature_block-proton"> Sent with <a href=3D"https://proton.me/mail/home" = target=3D"_blank">Proton Mail</a> secure email. </div> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: = 14px;"><br></div><div class=3D"protonmail_quote"> On Tuesday, May 26th, 2026 at 11:12 AM, [email protected] = <[email protected]> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"protonmail_quote" type=3D"cite"> HI all,<div><br></div><div>I used some time today to = prototype this in GNUstep make, and successfully built a portable image = of EasyDiff:</div><div><br></div><div><a = href=3D"https://github.com/gnustep/tools-make/pull/70" = style=3D"word-break: break-word;" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer = nofollow = noopener">https://github.com/gnustep/tools-make/pull/70</a></div><div><br>= </div><div>I think lots of caveats (documented in the PR description), = but it basically works. It would be nice to have CI that builds = non-flattened AppImages that work on multiple architectures, for = example.</div><div><br></div><div>Best = wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Graham.<br = id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div>On 25 May 2026, at 12:37, <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"word-break: = break-word;" rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow = noopener">[email protected]</a> via Discussion list for = the GNUstep programming environment <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow = noopener">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><span style=3D"caret-color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: = normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: = normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; = display: inline !important;">Hi,</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, = 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; = text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: solid;"><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; = text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: = solid;"><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: = none; text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: solid;">Am = 25.05.2026 um 10:41 schrieb Riccardo Mottola <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow = noopener">[email protected]</a>>:<br><br>Hi,<br><br><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"word-break: = break-word;" rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow = noopener">[email protected]</a> via Discussion list for = the GNUstep programming environment wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">I = think, GNUstep needs lower hurdles for entering our ecosystem and so I = had the thought =E2=80=9EWhat if we distribute the GNUstep dev tools as = AppImage?=E2=80=9C, e.g. bundling everything needed (basic GNUstep = installation; compiler, linker, make; Gorm.app and ProjectCenter.app; = some example code) into an AppImage like PikoPixel did, so that our App = can be run everywhere AppImages are supported.<br><br>What do you think = about the idea, would it help our cause?<br><br>What would be the = prerequisites for such an attempt?<br><br>How much work would it = be?<br><br></blockquote><br>I don't know about AppImages but GNUstep = supports packing everything into a single directory containing = Application, frameworks, themes, preferences into a single = folder.<br><br>It is useful to ship a single application with its = environment, I use it with success on windows and have scripts for that. = Very convenient.<br>Theoretically it can also contain more than one = app.<br><br>It is instead not very smart having several directories for = each app, since that way you have multiple runtime installations and = running them in concurrency may cause issues (beyond space waste). I = don't know how AppImages would handle this.<br></blockquote><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; = text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: solid;"><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; = display: inline !important;">I mentioned AppImages because those are a = recognized way to distribute apps f=C3=BCr Linux (and BSD? I don=E2=80=99t= know). Yeah, they somewhat reinvented the wheel after OpenSteps app = bundle, but they still seem to be the way commonly used. Please correct = me if I am wrong.<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; = text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: solid;"><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; = text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: solid;"><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; = display: inline !important;">Despite all this I am off course open to = other but similar easy ways to distribute (binary) apps to = users.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-thickness: auto; = text-decoration-style: solid;"><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; = text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: = solid;"><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: = none; text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: = solid;"><br>-R<br></blockquote><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; = text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: solid;"><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; = display: inline !important;">kind regards,</span><br style=3D"caret-color:= rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: = normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: = normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; = text-decoration-thickness: auto; text-decoration-style: solid;"><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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