Re: Install GNUStep on Ubuntu 16

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Note, I am in no way discounting your bad experience. Things could be much,
much smoother. However, do take note of some things.

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 12:00 PM, fortuna07 <[email protected]> wrote:

> OK, I was in holiday this week and had time to think about my GNUStep
> project.
> What I see until here:
> - GNUStep is hard or not to install for a normal user


Note that you have, yourself, concluded that you need a newer version of
Gorm.

There was Gorm packaged in the distribution you used.

Would it have been a troublesome piece of software had you installed it
from distribution? Would it have been troublesome if you were not
developing your own project?

If you had been able to "apt-get install gnustep gnustep-devel" (which is
something you didn't even try from the get-go, and later you have
discovered that you still want to build from source), would it still be a
problem?

- GNUStep seams to be not ready yet, it is not well tested, there are
> several things missing, many things don't work
>

I am not sure what 'yet' means, it's been around for many years and there
are people using not only GNUstep apps, there are people running whole
desktop on it.

We welcome contributions to things that you feel are missing. Procedure,
regrettably, involves copyright assignment which FSF accepts through snail
mail (!), but we are otherwise welcoming incoming code.

Do note, it's much easier to avoid "I cannot load xibs in Gorm" or "class X
is missing" or "subsystem Y is missing" if you start developing with
GNUstep and continue with porting to other implementations.


> - Beside some users, help in internet and from users is not present
>

*shrug* I've tried to help reasonably much. You can mostly follow Cocoa
documentation and try if it works; if certain functionality does not work,
you can choose between fixing it or avoiding it.

GNUstep-specific documentation is sometimes not easiest to find, but things
are there, and the environment is learnable.


> So I will stop this project.
>

*shrug* Your choice :)

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Note=
, I am in no way discounting your bad experience. Things could be much, muc=
h smoother. However, do take note of some things.</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 12:00 P=
M, fortuna07 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">OK, I was in holiday this week=
 and had time to think about my GNUStep<br>
project.<br>
What I see until here:<br>
- GNUStep is hard or not to install for a normal user</blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>Note that you have, yourself, concluded that you need a newer ve=
rsion of Gorm.</div><div><br></div><div>There was Gorm packaged in the dist=
ribution you used.</div><div><br></div><div>Would it have been a troublesom=
e piece of software had you installed it from distribution? Would it have b=
een troublesome if you were not developing your own project?</div><div><br>=
</div><div>If you had been able to &quot;apt-get install gnustep gnustep-de=
vel&quot; (which is something you didn&#39;t even try from the get-go, and =
later you have discovered that you still want to build from source), would =
it still be a problem?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- GNUStep seams to be not ready yet, it is not well tested, there are<br>
several things missing, many things don&#39;t work<br></blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>I am not sure what &#39;yet&#39; means, it&#39;s been around fo=
r many years and there are people using not only GNUstep apps, there are pe=
ople running whole desktop on it.</div><div><br></div><div>We welcome contr=
ibutions to things that you feel are missing. Procedure, regrettably, invol=
ves copyright assignment which FSF accepts through snail mail (!), but we a=
re otherwise welcoming incoming code.</div><div><br></div><div>Do note, it&=
#39;s much easier to avoid &quot;I cannot load xibs in Gorm&quot; or &quot;=
class X is missing&quot; or &quot;subsystem Y is missing&quot; if you start=
 developing with GNUstep and continue with porting to other implementations=
.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- Beside some users, help in internet and from users is not present<br></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>*shrug* I&#39;ve tried to help reasonably much=
. You can mostly follow Cocoa documentation and try if it works; if certain=
 functionality does not work, you can choose between fixing it or avoiding =
it.</div><div><br></div><div>GNUstep-specific documentation is sometimes no=
t easiest to find, but things are there, and the environment is learnable.<=
/div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">So I will stop this pr=
oject.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>*shrug* Your choice :)</div></di=
v></div></div>

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