Re: Site, apps and CMS (Was: Re: StepTalk blog)

On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 19:28 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Stefan Urbanek <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Suggestion to get more voulenteers? Switch to a site editing method with
> > no obstacles. You need contents maintainers, not web designers.
> > Therefore you need someone who can press 'edit' button and edit plain
> > text, not someone who has to know CVS. And yes, CVS is very great barier
> > for editors.
> 
> Why? I've met this reasoning before and about as few people will
> learn a web editing interface as will learn CVS, in my experience.
> 
> CVS is not very hard. It's one command on a menu (Tools > Version
> Control) in Emacs to save with a comment, or make a diff for
> emailing to webmasters. Is this really a "very great barrier"?
> At least CVS is common across many free software projects and
> most newer version control generally has a similar workflow,
> so people can gain transferable skills by working on gnustep.org.
> 

You can stop at words "emacs" and "diff". Yes, it is very great barrier.
You are programmer, therefore for you not. Same for CVS.

> Please can all willing editors who find this too hard let us know.
> Then we can try making it easier, or switch editing method.
> 

Vicious circle... I say: we will not have editors until there will be
easier way of editing. You say: we will not change editing way until
there is going to be editor willing to edit with another tool...

> > > >From another message from Stefan:
> > > > [...] they have a kind of bridge between mailman and the forum [2], so every
> > > > post to the ubuntu lists gets published at the forum as a standard message.
> > > > Does GNUstep has any resources (machine, time,...) to set up such forum?
> > > 
> > > Isn't that what gmane, google groups and others do already? We've
> > > been around for a while, so are on these services, while youngsters
> > > like ubuntu have to do it for themselves.
> > No, it isn't. It is decetralised and distant to GNUstep.
> 
> GNUstep development is pretty decentralised, you know?
> 

It should not.

> > [...] It is about bringing all stuf together and
> > make it more accessible. It is not so obvious that one can search google
> > groups for gnustep discussions. [...]
> 
> That's because we deliberately link to GMANE at the moment instead,
> so as not to duplicate, because they offer more of our lists and
> a better interface. Do you think we got that wrong?
> 

No, I only say, that having everything GNUstep development related under
one roof is better.

<snip>

> > I am against war, so I am not going to comment this either. I will say
> > only that I have the same impression: the community is closed. [...]
> 
> The main things giving that impression are:
> 1. the community is busy, on GNUstep and other things;
> 2. a small number of nidjits say they think it is closed
> and offer "solutions" which may not improve things.
> 

How do you know that the solutions will not improve things? Yes, they
may not. But you can only learn if you try it.

<snip>

Stefan
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