Re: Python-2.0.1 and CNRI-Python-GPL-Compatible

Max Mehl <[email protected]> Fri, 20 Mar 2026 16:18:29 +0000
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Hi all,

Thanks for the additional comments. I=92ve met Deb (ED of PSF) in Berlin th=
is week and she was fine with me submitting both licenses, provided I Cc he=
r in the submission emails.

Consequently, I=92ve opened two separate threads on license-review@.

Best,
Max


From: License-discuss <[email protected]> on beh=
alf of McCoy Smith <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, 17. March 2026 at 15:34
To: [email protected] <[email protected].=
org>
Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Python-2.0.1 and CNRI-Python-GPL-Compatible


Max:

If you think the newer version of the Python license ought to be approved b=
y the OSI, someone needs to submit it through the license approval process,=
 described here: https://opensource.org/licenses/review-process

Given that it sounds like 2.0.1 is now being used by Python, and 2.0 is onl=
y a legacy of older versions, I'd suggest that if submitted, at the same ti=
me 2.0 be "Voluntarily Retired" as have many other licenses that have been =
superceded by newer versions (see the list here: https://opensource.org/lic=
enses?categories=3Dsuperseded%2Cvoluntarily-retired); if it is not, 2.0 wil=
l likely be tagged (if 2.0.1 is approved) as superseded, like these license=
s: https://opensource.org/licenses?categories=3Dsuperseded Same comment for=
 the newer CNRI license versus the old one.

I would suggest that someone from the Python community (if you aren't one a=
lready) do the submission, if that result is indeed desired. The review pro=
cess requirements are in the link above.

*This is no commentary on the approvability of the 2.0.1. or new CNRI licen=
se, which I haven't read, but just a general comment on how the result you =
want might be accomplished.

McCoy Smith

On 3/16/2026 5:46 PM, Pamela Chestek wrote:

I don't see a reason. The OSI generally only reacts to requests for license=
 approval, it doesn't generally approve licenses without them being submitt=
ed. I'm assuming it hasn't be approved just because no one has asked for it=
 before.

Pam

Pamela S. Chestek
Chestek Legal
4641 Post St.
Unit 4316
El Dorado Hills, CA 95762
+1 919-800-8033
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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On 3/6/2026 5:47 AM, Max Mehl wrote:
Hi everyone,

As requested by Nick, I would like point to an ongoing discussion on Python=
 licenses, affecting both OSI's and SPDX=92s realms, and request OSI=92s ap=
proval of two licenses.

As you know, the licensing history of Python is quite complex, and the curr=
ent license consists of multiple other licenses representing the long histo=
ry and the different =93ownerships=94 of the project (CWI, CNRI, BeOpen, PS=
F). spdx/license-list-XML#2197<https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/iss=
ues/2197> and an email to spdx-legal@<https://lists.spdx.org/g/Spdx-legal/t=
opic/107252308> describe a bunch of intertwined problems around the identif=
iers of components of Python licenses. Recently, OSI fixed some of those al=
ready, thanks!

Now, I wonder about the status of the license SPDX describes as Python-2.0.=
1<https://spdx.org/licenses/Python-2.0.1.html>. IIRC, the main difference b=
etween Python-2.0<https://spdx.org/licenses/Python-2.0.html> and Python-2.0=
.1 is in the CNRI part, making it GPL compatible (the =93Virginia clause=94=
). SPDX lists this updated sub-part as CNRI-Python-GPL-Compatible<https://s=
pdx.org/licenses/CNRI-Python-GPL-Compatible.html>, a successor of CNRI-Pyth=
on<https://spdx.org/licenses/CNRI-Python.html>.

Since Python 1.6.1 and 2.0.1, Python releases have been licensed under Pyth=
on-2.0.1 (and recently additionally 0BSD for its documentation), while Pyth=
on-2.0 has only been used for Python 1.6 and 2.0. So modern CPython release=
s would probably be best described as being licensed under "Python-2.0.1 AN=
D 0BSD".

But OSI only approved Python-2.0 as an Open Source license, as well as the =
old CNRI-Python part. This is why I suggest OSI to approve Python-2.0.1 and=
 CNRI-Python-GPL-Compatible as Open Source licenses, and mark Python-2.0 an=
d CNRI-Python as superseded. Is there any reason not to?

Best,
Max

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Thanks for the additional comments. I=92ve met Deb (ED of PSF) in Berlin th=
is week and she was fine with me submitting both licenses, provided I Cc he=
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<p class=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Max:</p>
<p class=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">If you think =
the newer version of the Python license ought to be approved by the OSI, so=
meone needs to submit it through the license approval process, described he=
re:
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-link-freetext" originalsrc=3D"https://opensource.org/licenses/review-proce=
ss" data-outlook-id=3D"fd6a6813-a28d-48a4-8e0b-7de4c8297231" style=3D"margi=
n-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
https://opensource.org/licenses/review-process</a></p>
<p class=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Given that it=
 sounds like 2.0.1 is now being used by Python, and 2.0 is only a legacy of=
 older versions, I'd suggest that if submitted, at the same time 2.0 be &qu=
ot;Voluntarily Retired&quot; as have many other
 licenses that have been superceded by newer versions (see the list here: <=
a href=3D"https://opensource.org/licenses?categories=3Dsuperseded%2Cvolunta=
rily-retired" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" originalsrc=3D"https://openso=
urce.org/licenses?categories=3Dsuperseded%2Cvoluntarily-retired" data-outlo=
ok-id=3D"bbc957bc-2e98-418a-bcd0-3a50dba639ed" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; ma=
rgin-bottom: 0px;">
https://opensource.org/licenses?categories=3Dsuperseded%2Cvoluntarily-retir=
ed</a>); if it is not, 2.0 will likely be tagged (if 2.0.1 is approved) as =
superseded, like these licenses:
<a href=3D"https://opensource.org/licenses?categories=3Dsuperseded" class=
=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" originalsrc=3D"https://opensource.org/licenses?c=
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https://opensource.org/licenses?categories=3Dsuperseded</a>&nbsp;Same comme=
nt for the newer CNRI license versus the old one.</p>
<p class=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">I would sugge=
st that someone from the Python community (if you aren't one already) do th=
e submission, if that result is indeed desired. The review process requirem=
ents are in the link above.</p>
<p class=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">*This is no c=
ommentary on the approvability of the 2.0.1. or new CNRI license, which I h=
aven't read, but just a general comment on how the result you want might be=
 accomplished.</p>
<p class=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">McCoy Smith</=
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<p class=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">I don't see a=
 reason. The OSI generally only reacts to requests for license approval, it=
 doesn't generally approve licenses without them being submitted. I'm assum=
ing it hasn't be approved just because
 no one has asked for it before.</p>
<p class=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message skipProofing">Pam</p>
<div class=3D"moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
4641 Post St.<br>
Unit 4316<br>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 3/6/2026 5:47 AM, Max Mehl wrote:</div>
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As requested by Nick, I would like point to an ongoing discussion on Python=
 licenses, affecting both OSI's and SPDX=92s realms, and request OSI=92s ap=
proval of two licenses.</div>
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As you know, the licensing history of Python is quite complex, and the curr=
ent license consists of multiple other licenses representing the long histo=
ry and the different =93ownerships=94 of the project (CWI, CNRI, BeOpen, PS=
F).
<a href=3D"https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/issues/2197" originalsr=
c=3D"https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/issues/2197" data-outlook-id=
=3D"c8d254e9-cda2-4b06-8db7-bce26d43e3bc">
spdx/license-list-XML#2197</a>&nbsp;and an <a href=3D"https://lists.spdx.or=
g/g/Spdx-legal/topic/107252308" originalsrc=3D"https://lists.spdx.org/g/Spd=
x-legal/topic/107252308" data-outlook-id=3D"fe102278-b8de-497c-ada5-f66db75=
2c1b7">
email to spdx-legal@</a>&nbsp;describe a bunch of intertwined problems arou=
nd the identifiers of components of Python licenses. Recently, OSI fixed so=
me of those already, thanks!</div>
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Now, I wonder about the status of the license SPDX describes as <a href=3D"=
https://spdx.org/licenses/Python-2.0.1.html" originalsrc=3D"https://spdx.or=
g/licenses/Python-2.0.1.html" data-outlook-id=3D"8715974d-cf48-4f8a-804a-70=
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Python-2.0.1</a>. IIRC, the main difference between <a href=3D"https://spdx=
.org/licenses/Python-2.0.html" originalsrc=3D"https://spdx.org/licenses/Pyt=
hon-2.0.html" data-outlook-id=3D"91fa97a6-11f5-41c0-87e0-e557e08fc45c">
Python-2.0</a>&nbsp;and Python-2.0.1 is in the CNRI part, making it GPL com=
patible (the =93Virginia clause=94). SPDX lists this updated sub-part as
<a href=3D"https://spdx.org/licenses/CNRI-Python-GPL-Compatible.html" origi=
nalsrc=3D"https://spdx.org/licenses/CNRI-Python-GPL-Compatible.html" data-o=
utlook-id=3D"3567c9f9-2b49-47b0-81ea-244c5030e6b1">
CNRI-Python-GPL-Compatible</a>, a successor of <a href=3D"https://spdx.org/=
licenses/CNRI-Python.html" originalsrc=3D"https://spdx.org/licenses/CNRI-Py=
thon.html" data-outlook-id=3D"4e10b719-943a-4ba5-9168-f442c0eccf57">
CNRI-Python</a>.</div>
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Since Python 1.6.1 and 2.0.1, Python releases have been licensed under Pyth=
on-2.0.1 (and recently additionally 0BSD for its documentation), while Pyth=
on-2.0 has only been used for Python 1.6 and 2.0. So modern CPython release=
s would probably be best described
 as being licensed under &quot;Python-2.0.1 AND 0BSD&quot;.&nbsp;</div>
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But OSI only approved Python-2.0 as an Open Source license, as well as the =
old CNRI-Python part. This is why I suggest OSI to approve
<b>Python-2.0.1</b>&nbsp;and <b>CNRI-Python-GPL-Compatible</b>&nbsp;as Open=
 Source licenses, and mark Python-2.0 and CNRI-Python as superseded. Is the=
re any reason not to?</div>
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Best,</div>
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Max&nbsp;</div>
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