Re: French with Strongs?

Robert Hunt <[email protected]> Mon, 25 Jul 2022 08:29:56 +1200

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Hi Michael,

I'm very interested to learn more about your procedure because
I'm wanting to work on a few related things this year:

- attempt a combined/expanded name (person/location/deity) DB --
see
https://github.com/Freely-Given-org/Bible_speaker_identification/discussions/11
and other discussions there

- take the new SR GNT
(currently at RC1) and the OSHB and add links to the
above (SR GNT already has their extended Strongs with extra
digit) and IIRC OSHB has regular Strongs)

- Manually add links from pronouns (e.g., "And he said"
might map to Pilate. "When Jesus arrived there" might
map to Galilee), probably writing a specific, throw-away
command-line or simple windowed interface to make this one-off
task speedier.

- Try to apply this information to a non-European language
(Matigsalug from where we worked in the Philippines) to discover
the issues involved.

So you'll see some overlap with what you've done and why I'm
interested to learn more. I'm guessing you use Haiola to convert
formats -- what's your intermediate format? I would use Python
rather than Pascal, but would still be interested to view your
code and DB if that's feasible? Possibly it would give me a
head-start; possibly just give me ideas how to do it. (I played
with some tagging
ideas a decade ago but currently leaning towards more of a
native stand-off format with back-and-forth USFM3 converters.)

Feel free to reply privately or move conversation if it's not
appropriate here. But I'm sure that I'm not the only one with
these types of aims, and others probably have more experience
and/or better ideas than me.

Nice job with DBS Cyber.Bible!

Blessings,

Robert.

On 25/07/22 07:12, Michael Johnson
wrote:

Yes, I have a script that works for
both OT and NT in French, German, Spanish, English. I also have
one for the NT in Biblical Greek. I can start with USFX, USFM,
or USX. I am running the process now for the old French
Ostervald Bible. It isn't yet easy to share, because it uses a
combination of Haiola, some custom Free Pascal code, some SQL,
and a MariaDB database with the words, Strong's numbers, and
where they are found. Anyway, if all goes well, fraFOB1744eb
should have Strong's numbers embedded by tomorrow.

There is a lot of room for
improvement, especially in the database, so that equivalent
words are also listed (like both spellings of Isaiah). That way,
more words would find matches. Still, enough of the words are
matched to be somewhat useful in study. See cyber.Bible
and pull up some Bible translations in the above languages in
parallel. The way the highlights move when you mouse over words
is nice. Then when you click on a word with a Strong's number,
you get a Greek/English dictionary entry. Of course, there are a
lot of languages not supported with Strong's numbers, yet, and
only one language for the dictionary, so far, so we are in no
danger of running out of work to do.

On 7/24/22 06:25, Fr Cyrille wrote:

This is a very nice news!!

I'm working on the frecrampon with strong's number. Michael have
you a script to merge the strong number for the OT books? I
already did it with the NT books.

I work first with the usfm files: https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/neo-crampon-libre

Le 24/07/2022 à 08:06, Michael
Johnson a écrit :

There
is also Strongs support for frasbl2022eb with the same
Strong's numbers merged from the Louis Segond.

On 7/23/22 13:29, Timmy wrote:

Good news. French F10 now has Strongs
support. Someone contacted Michael Johnson from eBible, who
was able to merge back in the Strongs numbers. See https://github.com/AndBible/and-bible/issues/1774

Kind regards,

*--

Timmy Braun*

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 1:27 PM Fr Cyrille <[email protected]>
wrote:

This is amazing!!!!

It helps a lot! Few question:

* I'm working with the usfm file, any idea for the
convertion? If not I can convert the imp to usfm after the
work of migratetags.

* How to improve the script? By instance the source
have Esaïe, the output Isaïe

* Do you have also the script for the old testament?

Now I need to finish first to improve the source.

Le 17/02/2022 à 18:47, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :

OK. So, I've updated the source a bit with
improvements we made for the NA28 module. If you already
have SWORD either built and installed or installed
sword-dev packages for your distribution, you should be
able to:

cd ~/src

svn co https://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk
sword-tools

cd sword-tools/migratetags

make

./migratetags --help

./migratetags -ss KJV -t BBE > BBE.imp

# or more practically, you will probably wish to use
the -v flag to see how the mapping is going:

./migratetags -ss KJV -t BBE -v | less

Let me know if that doesn't get you started well
enough to improve things on your own.

Troy

On 2/17/22 08:51, Fr Cyrille wrote:

Le 17/02/2022 à 15:57, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :

Dear Fr. Cyrille,

Have a look here. We regularly use this for
migrating tags between modules. You can use one of the
default matchers or try the GNT matcher to see how it
does or use it as an example to write a more
"French-specific" matcher.

Let me know if you'd like help getting started:

http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/migratetags/

It's chinese for me... How to use this?

On February 17, 2022 7:49:07 AM MST, Fr Cyrille <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:

Le 17/02/2022 à 15:32, Timmy a écrit :

Greetings, lately
there have been a few requests for a French Bible
with Strongs support in AndBible support requests.
One even sounded like they had one before but it
seems that module (F10) no longer has Strongs. I
don't know it's history so I don't know.

So my question, are there any modules
publicly available in French with Strongs support?
If so, which ones?

I'm working on it, and any help is welcome...
I have a private source of Segond with strongs (from
Bibleworks), and I'm looking for a solution to merge
the strong number in my translation (Crampon
modernized). But I already add some numbers in it. See
the module here: https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/neo-crampon-libre

Thanks and God bless,

*--

Timmy Braun

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